EV general discussion

Scary thought now that no one needs training or a licence to tow anymore.
To be fair ‘back in the day’ as my dad would say, you could drive up to 7.5T and a motorbike without any additional training.

Exactly this

It should be interesting given I’ve never towed anything.

It is easy enough, though when I first started I used to use a pair of walkie talkies for sticky situations, get the missus out to guide and watch just as a pair of eyes, great for sites with no signal, or lanes you have to reverse up etc. don't tend to need that any more as you obviously get more confident with experience but they are always in the glovebox and the kids have used then to contact us across site us when we are in signal blackhole, so always handy things to have.
 
The personal contribution will be because your companies car benefits have not been keeping pace with real costs.

Think of it as a stealth pay cut, because that’s what it is in reality.
 
They said that about the ID3, it will change the landscape bla bla. The reality is the chinese manufacturers will change the landscape, the establishment at the bottom end of the market has not ticked the boxes yet, even the low end stuff is too comprimised and too expensive.
Yes the ID3 had it's issues for sure. Hopefully VW are getting better with their EV car v2. One thing it has is some actual buttons!
 
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It is easy enough, though when I first started I used to use a pair of walkie talkies for sticky situations, get the missus out to guide and watch just as a pair of eyes, great for sites with no signal, or lanes you have to reverse up etc. don't tend to need that any more as you obviously get more confident with experience but they are always in the glovebox and the kids have used then to contact us across site us when we are in signal blackhole, so always handy things to have.

Thanks for the tips! It’s the reversing part where I am going to need the practice, I’m not too concerned about going forwards!

We got a motor mover fitted to the caravan too so if push comes to shove, I can just remote control it to where I need it to be without lifting a finger :D
 
The ID2 is being tipped as one of those game charger EVs as it's €25k, and other models later on, crossover, GTI etc. Looking forward to the reviews on that.

How many times have we heard about the £##k EV that will bring electrification to the masses... and when the reality hits the show rooms it's WAY more expensive. Elon played that game to perfection with the Model 3. The cheap one never came yet they sold a ton of the expensive ones while the cheaper model was just on the horizon.

As soon as things like the Ford Fiesta topped £20k it became apparent that the £20k EV won't ever happen because the manufacturers don't need it to.

I also don't think it's fair to blame "the FUD" for lack of EV adoption when so many on the roads are fleet / company cars or those on 'no brainer' salary sacrifice schemes. Cost is still a major barrier to adoption and will be for some time.
 
Once cars like the Tesla Model 3 start selling around 10k mark with less that 100k on them. I think this maybe the tipping point when more people will seriously start looking at purchasing a EV.
As it stand they are to expensive to buy new and the technology is still in it infancy. Majority of people are worried about jumping on board at the present time. By the time this happens hopefully the technology and the charging network will have improved enough to people will switch to EV.
 
The ID2 is being tipped as one of those game charger EVs as it's €25k, and other models later on, crossover, GTI etc. Looking forward to the reviews on that.
You can already buy brand new Corsa E’s for £20k not sure a £22k EV will be a game changer unless it’s something really special. Given it’s an VW ID EV and what we have seen already, it probably won’t be….

It will be competitive sure but a game changer? Doubt it.
 
Looking forward to the new Renault 5, they reckon that will be well under £20k with a 50kWh battery.

December motoring press articles suggest a €25k starting price, so £30k in the UK.

the firm’s CEO Luca de Meo announced the Renault 5 will start from €25,000 in Europe, where incentives for EVs are still available. Without those incentives, the all-electric Renault 5 is likely to start from closer to £30,000 in the UK.

 
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Super cool though. There is a chap near me with four rennie r5 gt turbos. Think he thinks hes onto an investment winner there :D
 
Well that's shot up, even the AT video said £20k recently. Seems a bit pricey, if it's over £25k.
Perhaps its £25k RRP but £20k being the 'real' retail price. The Corsa-e's RRP is allegedly near £30k but you can buy them for £20k, #legacyautopricing and all that.

It's going to be a reasonably competitive segment shortly. The Renault 5 is to replace the Zoe isn't it? Tesla will allegedly be entering this segment next also.

That said, I'm not sure why manufacturers seem to be hell bent on 're-inventing themselves' with their electric models. I think VW has made a give mistake with their ID branding/styling. I'm almost certain that your typical VW buyer just wants a Golf/Polo/Tiguan/T-Roc etc. that just happens to be electric. Why throw away literal decades of branding and mindshare when you can leverage it to your advantage? Particularly where some of your models have a bit of a 'cult' following like the Golf which is seemingly far more desirable than it should be for the price (IMO of course).
 
That said, I'm not sure why manufacturers seem to be hell bent on 're-inventing themselves' with their electric models. I think VW has made a give mistake with their ID branding/styling. I'm almost certain that your typical VW buyer just wants a Golf/Polo/Tiguan/T-Roc etc. that just happens to be electric. Why throw away literal decades of branding and mindshare when you can leverage it to your advantage? Particularly where some of your models have a bit of a 'cult' following like the Golf which is seemingly far more desirable than it should be for the price (IMO of course).
Presumably because most EV buyers are super informed, and will recognise a car "converted to be an EV" (my Peugeot) versus a ground up EV?

And then reusing old brands is just fun/cool.
 
Presumably because most EV buyers are super informed, and will recognise a car "converted to be an EV" (my Peugeot) versus a ground up EV?

And then reusing old brands is just fun/cool.
Exactly that. Even VW hasn't lost the plot enough to go all in on EV with their established products like Golf and Passat which leaves them the option of going converted ICE which gets slated or creating a new product.

The names are so benign that they are easily replaced with the recognised names once they do go purely EV.

The early adopters will buy it whatever it's called, Mr Not-So-Sure is going to bide his time and will feel much easier buying a Golf when the time comes.
 
Presumably because most EV buyers are super informed, and will recognise a car "converted to be an EV" (my Peugeot) versus a ground up EV?

And then reusing old brands is just fun/cool.

There really not, those says are long gone. For the most part they are just normal car buyers, many of which are getting them because the tax man hasn't yet decided to take their pound of flesh from them.

I wasn't suggesting that they should have made a multi energy platform as many have done. I was more suggesting VW's buyers would have probably been more comfortable buying an electric car styled as a Golf and marketed as a Golf than they would have an ID.3.

Exactly that. Even VW hasn't lost the plot enough to go all in on EV with their established products like Golf and Passat which leaves them the option of going converted ICE which gets slated or creating a new product.
As above, I wasn't suggesting they go all in but to take a 'leaf' out of Renault and Fiat's book and run what is effectively two different vehicles, one ICE/hybird and one electric using the existing branding. For example the Megane ICE and electric are two distinct vehicles but they are both Meganes. They don't even look the same.

The same applies to the Fiat 500, granted the ICE 500 has already been binned off but they ran them side by side for a while.

The names are so benign that they are easily replaced with the recognised names once they do go purely EV.

The early adopters will buy it whatever it's called, Mr Not-So-Sure is going to bide his time and will feel much easier buying a Golf when the time comes.

That's the thing, we are well past the early adopter phase in 2024. If the Golf name is eventually going to take over from the ID.3 (which is something also think will happen), why spend all the marketing money and capital inventing and promoting the new brand to later bin it in favour of the existing branding. It makes as much sense as Twitter being rebranded to X.

Audi, BMW and Mercedes are modifying their existing vehicle branding in a very minor way and I expect the 'etron', 'i' and 'EQ' monikers will be quietly dropped once everything is electric. This makes so much more sense to your typical car purchaser.

You've got the 'in the middle' brands who are going a bit of both like Kia and Hyundai but I'd suggest the brand recognition with their specific models is far lower than VW and the Golf which pretty much everyone recognises.
 
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