is there a massive difference between used Panameras and used Taycans? Suspect probably not but people like to hate on EVs
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Favourite bit of that is the first 800V car is “first gen” cos some chap continues confuse his opinions with fact.
Have you even drove a MG4 to be an informed born2k?
Have you even drove a MG4 to be an informed born2k?
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It is not just the Taycan though that was my point pretty much all EV's have S-Class levels of depreciation.
Which is great for the used buy but terrible if you want new or lease which explains why the vast majority of EV sales are company cars etc.
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Entry point for a used Panamera is around 5-10k more at 3 years old so all the "fuel" savings from a Taycan are completely wiped out in terms of end capital.
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I think 'far too small' is being a bit harsh... I mean you could take 2 adults and 2 kids along with 2 full size suitcases and a couple of smaller bags, not exactly spacious like an SUV/Estate but it's not that small.
So add in the travel cot, buggy and two group 1 car seats that many families require and it's too small. It is very much a YMMV when it comes to what's required for a family car
It was clearly opinion, at no point were any there any facts implied. You don’t have to agree with other people’s opinion but you don’t have to be unnecessarily abrasive about it….
Normal people don’t care what voltage the battery pack runs at. They only care about the actual performance.
The one thing that Tycan owners consistently complain about is the real world range. For a car that costs as much as a Tycan, is the size of a Tycan and has a massive battery like the Tycan, the real range is not great. Yes, it’s been improved with software over time but it could be a lot better and other far cheaper cars do it better.
Then there is the whole 400v charge point debacle. There are loads out there stuck with 50kw 400v charging because the dealers (and purchasers) didn’t understand they needed to pay extra to not charge like a Nissian leaf on many public chargers. Granted it’s less of an issue now with all the newer charge points supporting 800V but that really wasn’t the case until very recently.
Who said anything about driving it? The discussion was it isn’t ‘a family car’ and it’s cost on some random PCP deal.
Since when did a normal C segment hatch back lose its ‘family car’ status?
This. It’s almost like the Ford Focus hasn’t been the OCUK recommended ‘family car’ for the last two decades.
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Hang on you need a bigger car than an MG4 to get to an airport with 4 people in it, how much **** do you pack when you go on holiday?
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Taycan is a proper performance cars and the bulk drive them like they do their ICE. 90mph down the motorway. The fuel economy of a 911 is never a discussion point, it’s for the company car drivers of old in their vectras and insignias now in Tesla’s. How’s that for abrasive?
Normal people and informed people don’t call Taycans J1 platform “first gen”
I’ll reword it for the special people. Have you opened the boot of an MG4 to make an informed view of its size?
Normal people and informed people don’t call Taycans J1 platform “first gen”
I’ll reword it for the special people. Have you opened the boot of an MG4 to make an informed view of its size?
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Have you seen the boot? These entry RWD EVs do hurt boot volume significantly.Hang on you need a bigger car than an MG4 to get to an airport with 4 people in it, how much **** do you pack when you go on holiday?
If you go somewhere cold it’s a challenge would be my assumption… but that’s being empathetic of other people which we know you struggle with.
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The ‘only £99 a month I had issue with’. It’s not £99 a month at all like you suggest. Nor can ‘anyone get into an EV from an older ICE car’
To be honest for £350 a month there’s lots of choice if you lucky enough to have SS scheme available
Times change regarding the size of cars but no one is gonna be trading in an estate ICE for a MG4
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Again, it depends what you class as family use. For me at least the Focus hatch is also too small, the estate is useable though. By the time you've got the tent, 4 sleeping bags & mats, cooking equipment, and a couple of body boards in there, it doesn't leave much space for stuff like clothes
Inb4 "yeah but nobody goes camping any more"
Hang on you need a bigger car than an MG4 to get to an airport with 4 people in it, how much **** do you pack when you go on holiday?
Not me, but the rest of the family. I'm guessing you don't have kids
The MG4 would be OK if it had roof bars on for a box. Like I said, for day to day use it's absolutely fine. If you're happy renting a bigger car when needed, it's absolutely fine. if you have another bigger car/van to use, it's absolutely fine. If it's your only car and your family is vaguely active then (imo) you're going to struggle.
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Not me, but the rest of the family. I'm guessing you don't have kids
Some days I wish we didn't!
I guess depends how you pack when just going to an airport, we take what we need very rarely more than 2 large suitcases between 4, plus couple of those carry on type bags, never struggled on a summer holiday, but we also tend to go to a villa rather than a hotel so I guess you can take less as you usually have access to washing facilities etc.
I got five of us plus luggage into a Golf at Ibiza airport one year, my goodness that was a squeeze, the car we were meant have had a problem so they said will that do, I stupidly said yes!
Also by the time you've found over £9k for a deposit to borrow an MG4 for 3 years (and max 24k miles) you are 2/3 of the way towards buying a <3 year old MG ZS outright.
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Most ice cars had 45-55% depreciation at 3 years on average mileage, ie 36k give or take.
That happened for years and was very accurately predictable. Most extras losing all that or most of their value at that time.
With the few valuable ones excluded the extras just make the car more saleable as opposed to adding value.
There was typically 10% or so difference within models with some models retaining more value. Oddly often not the ones you would assume would most likely hold most value.
Things like insurance group could affect pricing with some being far more nickable they would lose higher %.
I dont really see a significantly different pattern with EV.
One thing thats happened with EV generally is the pricing has lowered so that will of course ripple to used prices.
Typically ICE cars go up in cost so that props up 1-3 year old models pricing.
That happened for years and was very accurately predictable. Most extras losing all that or most of their value at that time.
With the few valuable ones excluded the extras just make the car more saleable as opposed to adding value.
There was typically 10% or so difference within models with some models retaining more value. Oddly often not the ones you would assume would most likely hold most value.
Things like insurance group could affect pricing with some being far more nickable they would lose higher %.
I dont really see a significantly different pattern with EV.
One thing thats happened with EV generally is the pricing has lowered so that will of course ripple to used prices.
Typically ICE cars go up in cost so that props up 1-3 year old models pricing.
That's coming from no car to trade-in at all (which I clearly mentioned when I made the post about it), so means you are a new buyer and therefore may be looking for a deal with less upfront and more on the monthlies, and a MG ZS is nothing like a MG4. We should not forget that the 24k miles if trading in an older 40mpg ICE car means you are likely to save ~£2.3k in fuel costs that includes factoring £1k for a charger install as well. So I don't think ~£10k for 3 years of car use is terrible, second hand will always be better but I have no idea why the argument is regurgitated every time, someone has to buy new cars or there would be no secondhand ones to buy.
I'd accept that, but not all families are two-toddler families that require the cot/buggy side of things.
Again, it depends what you class as family use. For me at least the Focus hatch is also too small, the estate is useable though. By the time you've got the tent, 4 sleeping bags & mats, cooking equipment, and a couple of body boards in there, it doesn't leave much space for stuff like clothes
Inb4 "yeah but nobody goes camping any more"
Not me, but the rest of the family. I'm guessing you don't have kids
The MG4 would be OK if it had roof bars on for a box. Like I said, for day to day use it's absolutely fine. If you're happy renting a bigger car when needed, it's absolutely fine. if you have another bigger car/van to use, it's absolutely fine. If it's your only car and your family is vaguely active then (imo) you're going to struggle.
I'm sure I saw somewhere you could get roof bars/mounting systems? Not looked into it too much though.
I reckon you could get that camping stuff in there, sounds like someone should've spent more time on Tetris
I'd agree that for a single-car family (do they exist anymore?) in certain use cases and scenarios the MG4 is far from ideal, but it also seems like those somewhat niche use-cases are being used to brand it overall useless, which it isn't. imo.
I never said it was coming from no car to trade in. I said once you've found over £9k. Part or all of which could have come from releasing capital in an existing car.
I wasn't sold on the AT slow day at the office clickbait article spouting this as a good deal and your interesting take on the numbers hasn't convinced me otherwise. No matter which way you spin it, over 50p per mile just to rent the thing wipes out any EV fuel savings if someone was already, as you stated, in an older ICE car.
As for someone having to buy new cars... Yes, those people are doing the world such a service. I mean the whole country would grind to a halt if these selfless people weren't feeding the system with their cast offs every 3 years when they pick up their new shiny shiny
Anyway, this is way off the topic of EVs.
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People with 9k in the bank wouldnt be the ones in the market for a cheap chinese **** box
Anyway onto more important matters, how much of a difference does a heatpump make in the real world, on VAG products its a ~£800 option.
Anyway onto more important matters, how much of a difference does a heatpump make in the real world, on VAG products its a ~£800 option.