EV general discussion

Kenai said:
The entire '5,000/8,000 miles per year' lease market says hello :p
Click to expand...

Nail, on head. They didn't spend 30k though, just the leasing costs.

However, most people only do a few long distance trips per year, I just completed 1,000 miles in the Ioniq up to the Scottish highlands, and back down the east coast, I can count on one finger the number of times I have to worry about waiting for the car and not something else, and the sum total of that wait was 12 minutes.
 
Yesterday saw my first xceed phev (yellow) they do look like a Macan ...
thinking, do hybrids keep some charge in the battery for overtaking ? or, do you have to anticipate a potential power deficit.
Lexus hybrid adds seem to saturate tv currently, amusing its assertion that, not having to plugin is a benefit - yes, that might help the sticker price a bit.

Simon said:
It’s also 136hp vs 400hp and the ipace is a much bigger car.
Click to expand...
2100Kg versus 1500 going round a corner .. I still want to know why the polestar is 300kg more than M3

I can count on one finger the number of times I have to worry about waiting for the car
Click to expand...
need a more leisurely, continental attitude, to eating out, in the UK
 
I just recently got an E-Tron 50 through NHS lease deal. Basic Technik spec but has everything I need and more.

£337 per month salary sacrifice and includes 12,000 miles PA, servicing, insurance, tax, tyres, roadside assistance and 7kW Pod-Point a home charging unit. That was only £17 more expensive than a Kia E-Niro or Hyundai Kona electric, both have more range but nowhere near as good for quality, finish and comfort. Sorry if this is insulting to E-Niro or E-Kona owners but a proper luxury EV for £17 extra was not even a real choice, even with the large chunk of lost range. I know the E-Tron 50 is quite mediocre for range but I only go beyond 100 miles 1 or twice per year max and never drive more than a few hours without stopping for a break. So all in all the 160-180 miles of range is perfectly useable and sufficient for my needs. It is also a proper practical, luxurious, quiet and comfortable car as a family car.

Driving electric is very smooth and silent, the noise really is quite a shock when I get into my wife's diesel. The Audi E-Tron takes that to another level for refinement.

I was suffering from range anxiety but it hasn't been a problem and have even driven beyond max range twice (return journey of ~220 miles each way). A stop for lunch for the family and a quick charge at a rapid and the car was ready to go before we were.

Normal home charging means I plug in maybe once per week to top up to 80% battery. Other times is just a very minor change in routine to use the free public chargers here in N. Ireland. There's one near where I walk the dog and when we get back after a walk the car has an extra 15-20 miles of range. Same if I go shopping, stick it on the AC or even free 50kW DC and back to the car with free miles added for zero extra hassle.

I genuinely have not felt it to be even a minor inconvenience to switch to EV (yet). Get out of the car when I get home, plug it in if it needs charged and ready to go the next morning.
 
All low down weight though.

Just was a comment related to efficiency and it’s obvious they will differ just like a fiesta and a Range Rover will
 
[TW]Fox said:
Who are all these people spending 30 grand plus on cars they barely use to go further than Tesco?

Wouldn't something more cost effective like a private chauffeur be a better option?
Click to expand...

Chelsea Tractors or my parents.

They do less than 5,000 miles per year, the vast majority of that is a 9 miles round trip to the nearest town and my father still insists on buying a new diesel car every 3 years :(
 
Journey said:
2100Kg versus 1500 going round a corner .. I still want to know why the polestar is 300kg more than M3
Click to expand...

Koreans have some special source for electron sipping but don’t kid yourself that mass will some how level the cars off. Real world stuff like the I-PACE is bonkers supercar level on the road punch than a shopping car.
 
No electric bore mobile for me, I will get a V8 next - I already had a V8 in a CL55 AMG but need to get another (more reliable) one
 
Greebo said:
Chelsea Tractors or my parents.

They do less than 5,000 miles per year, the vast majority of that is a 9 miles round trip to the nearest town and my father still insists on buying a new diesel car every 3 years :(
Click to expand...

Where I work, so many of our customers have diesels and doing less than 5k a year. Then wonder why its free ailing in emissions at 3 years old for it's first MOT.
 
Was chatting to a chap with a Porsche Taycan at a charge point yesterday, I had to laugh when he said he'd not considered an EV until he test drove it then ordered one straight after, he claimed he utterly dismissed battery powered vehicles as slow, range deficient and ugly, and as such didn't even know that Porsche had one on the market this early.
He's put nearly 5k miles on it already, been across to Switzerland and back, and is now not rising to people who ask him how his milk float with a Porsche badge is (lol) as he said his friends are still clearly in the ICE era, and he understands as the issues he has faced so far are annoyances but he loves the car, and is excited about driving again, which I think says a lot, especially since that car prior to that was a Porsche as well.

I like chatting to the newbies, especially those with little to no knowledge of the vehicles, you get to hear genuine surprise (or horror) at the capability of what is available now. It's much better than listening to the tedium of people who complain about them but haven't ever driven one, been a passenger in one etc. yet still seem to be experts.
 
I think the owner of a taycan can brush off any critique with little ignomony.

Have not watched enough forrmula-e, but, only learned yesterday, they change cars half way through to address range problem though,
'how do they do that' said pack is 370KG , will be interesting if they do, later, include a re-charge in the pit-stop (and then, LeMans prospects)

So a 986 weighs 1260Kg versus 2200 for a taycan - mromega^2
 
jpaul said:
Have not watched enough forrmula-e, but, only learned yesterday, they change cars half way through to address range problem though,
'how do they do that' said pack is 370KG , will be interesting if they do, later, include a re-charge in the pit-stop (and then, LeMans prospects)
Click to expand...

They don't do this anymore, they complete the entire race distance on one charge
 
Journey said:
Was chatting to a chap with a Porsche Taycan at a charge point yesterday, I had to laugh when he said he'd not considered an EV until he test drove it then ordered one straight after, he claimed he utterly dismissed battery powered vehicles as slow, range deficient and ugly, and as such didn't even know that Porsche had one on the market this early.
He's put nearly 5k miles on it already, been across to Switzerland and back, and is now not rising to people who ask him how his milk float with a Porsche badge is (lol) as he said his friends are still clearly in the ICE era, and he understands as the issues he has faced so far are annoyances but he loves the car, and is excited about driving again, which I think says a lot, especially since that car prior to that was a Porsche as well.

I like chatting to the newbies, especially those with little to no knowledge of the vehicles, you get to hear genuine surprise (or horror) at the capability of what is available now. It's much better than listening to the tedium of people who complain about them but haven't ever driven one, been a passenger in one etc. yet still seem to be experts.
Click to expand...

I think for many it's also about what makes motoring and driving high performance cars fun. For many oldies especially (like me!) the fun is in the corners, hooking up the gearchanges perfectly and exciting the senses, such as sound. Take the Taycan for example. I'm sure it's a rocket ship but it weights over 2100KG which is double the weight of my MX-5 with its weighty electric folding roof mechanism. While I'm sure a 0-60 or 100 blast will feel good, it's pretty boring sound wise with virtually no sound at all. The weight also comes at a cost too, it needs beefy everything to combat physics when cornering for example.

3 months of a driving his Taycan (so used to the acceleration) I wonder how he would feel if he put it on track and then compared with an ICE Posrche in the same price bracket and especially with a manual gearbox if they still do those and assuming he can still drive one :D.

Will need to give our ICE's up at some point and I appreciate EV's more now but still like my decently revving lightweight fun mobile with a manual box. Find a nice empty stretch of twisty roads, put the roof down, listen to the engine and rev it out, hook up the gears well and oh such fun :).
i'll likely get an EV at some point in next few years while keeping an ICE based car too for weekend fun. I dont see why people still can't enjoy both and appreciate both :). I'll still make fun of milk-float EV's though and EV out-and-out fans who probably don't know what driving pleasure is or has been all about :D
An electric sportscar weighing no more than 1200KG, £30k-40k max, 0-60 under 4 seconds and a 200-300+ mile range would be interesting. Technology and/or costs a way off producing that I think.
 
Last edited:
Kenai said:
They don't do this anymore, they complete the entire race distance on one charge
Click to expand...
thanks yes so they nearly doubled capacity , but battery weight only went up 25%
https://www.whichev.net/2019/11/21/...ing-you-need-to-know-2019-2020-race-calendar/
Battery capacity, kWh28 (car swap mid-race)54 (full race length)Battery voltage700 volts900 voltsBattery weight, kg (pounds)320 (705)385 (849)
Click to expand...



car weight impact
I'd like to see a an overlayed lateral G&speed for the Taycan, versus a 900+kg lighter, ICE sibling, on the Nürburgring

unless the Taycan has much bigger contact patch on the tyres, or, much lower CofG, it must be be able to go around corners, versus its sibling, limited by the ratio of the weights,
so the taycan would be 40-50% slower, yes it will accelerate faster on the straight, but that G feeling you get going round a nice corner/roundabout will be diminished,
a cars active downforce can impact this issue too, but that's going with square?cube? of speed.

Obviously that lower weight also means additional passive safety margin for the car leaving the road in the wet, say .... you can't overrule the laws of physics.
 
What car are you comparing it to? A Porsche Panamera is only about 200kg lighter than a Taycan.

Where does the 900kg come from? That would put the car at like 1300kg, you aren’t going to get anything quick at that weight that isn’t designed for racing.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
What car are you comparing it to? A Porsche Panamera is only about 200kg lighter than a Taycan.

Where does the 900kg come from? That would put the car at like 1300kg, you aren’t going to get anything quick at that weight that isn’t designed for racing.
Click to expand...

A 981 Cayman s isn't designed for racing.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom