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For those interested in my autistic EV search:

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Model Y back down to a sensible price - I'm just not convinced the size will work just yet. I may have to do the test drive and race back home to see if it fits sensibly.

Renault really hard to ignore but I hate the idea of cloth seats given the cost. You can't even option leather by the looks of it. Explorer plugs that gap with partial leather - however I then have to suffer the VW parts bin crap. The Renault infotainment seems much better and its basically android, so gives me a bit more confidence.

Wildcard Model 3 - the regular one I don't need to do any man maths on, I can just wait till July as its under 40k. I'm not sure I like the idea of no indicator stalk etc... Too distracting for my relatively new driver wife.

So probably common sense says:
Renault (weighing infotainment highly) -> Ford (benefit of partial leather) > Model Y

Adjacent requirement sense says:
Model Y (definitely big enough to replace E43 for all family duties) -> Model 3 Long Range (possibly big enough to replace E43 for family duties) -> Ford Premium (full leather) -> Renault (good infotainment) -> Ford Select (half leather, less favourable infotainment).

Edit: Reno only one in a non-gash colour too. Ain't no way I am paying to paint a lease car.
 
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A comment on the VW capacitive buttons and controls, the v4 onwards software does make it pretty good now, its all backlit, ive not had an issue at all. the HVAC controls are in a fixed place on the screen aswell.

The capacitive buttons on the steering wheel are ok aswell. What is not OK, is the sodding 2 buttons for winding the windows down, specifically the touch bit for the rear windows. grr. VW have dropped the capacitive steering wheel buttons on the new Passat and Tiguan now.
 
Sharing my experience owning a Kona 2021 EV since Jan, I lack a driveway so I only charge at local Tesla chargers (easier for data gathering as well). I usually charge to 80% but lately with the colder weather just over at 85% ish. With the recent 4 day cold snap this week resulted in me having 28% left on Thursday evening and I felt better going for a top charge so I didn't have to worry about not having enough to get back/visit charger at the weekend. Also the cabin preheating may not work when the battery is less than 20%, I can't remember.

During the summer electric weekly charging was around £9/10. Since elec price has increased by 10% and with colder weather it went to around £15 per week. This cold snap week cost a new record £25! but I'm preheating the car 10 mins before I get in and have the car warm :) I now charge to 90% if the forecast is below freezing which should hopefully mean I don't need a mid week top up charge.

But I'll take that plus cabin preheating is game changing. One morning I was either side of neighbours who were sat in their cars waiting for windows to demist - I got in my car and was off :)

Friday morning was slick with ice. This is where my all season tyres came in and grip has been great, I did see someone only just make it up a slight incline in their car.

Charging times are 45mins in the summer and 1h 10min if it's really cold outside and going to 90%. That is the one thing I would want to upgrade but any future EV will be faster than that. I question what Tesla drivers do at the charger since I thought it's super quick but they go there to sleep I think lol.
 
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You sit in the car whilst it charges ? Isn’t that a bit tedious. ? How many miles a week. Cost per week isn’t really telling us much
 
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BennyC said:
I drove the Y Long Range and New Model 3 Performance in September. To my surprise I didn't miss the theatre of an engine as much as I thought I would. I liked both but preferred the updated exterior, seating position and wrap around cabin and acoustic glass in the Model 3. If I didn't need the practicality of a cavernous boot and they were costing the same on the SS I would have picked the 3 over the Y.

If I need a thrill I'll jump back on to a sports bike :)
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The MY has the double glazed acoustic glass. I am looking forward to the MY refresh that is likely due in a few months.
 
Demon said:
Model Y already has acoustic glass AKA double glazed front and back.

But agree that the looks and tweaks to the interior on the Model 3 are nice , looking forward to the Juniper Model Y and hoping somehow they have adaptive suspension like the Model 3 Performance, we all want the option of comfort at times!
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Side windows are also double glazed. All the windows actually.

I wished my MY had the newer suspension in the new M3.
 
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Simon said:
You sit in the car whilst it charges ? Isn’t that a bit tedious. ? How many miles a week. Cost per week isn’t really telling us much
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125ish miles per week so not huge. Sit in car, not much else about around Tesla chargers usually. Can go for a walk about at the nicer one but I can't miss the end of charge or it costs £1 per min while plugged in not charging. Usually listen to podcast, radio, doomscrolling, youtube, same as stuff I do indoors :)

It's mostly the temperature that seems to affect range the most. Summer weeks I'd get 5.5 miles per kw, at the moment it's more like 3 miles per kw.

Tesla prices around here at site A 41p or site B 37p, both membership price which is £8.99 per month (which I'd forgotten about!). The membership pays for itself and really more useful when doing more miles. I have an Eletroverse card but not used it, I always go to Tesla chargers, only ever had 2 chargers fail, just drive to the next bay and the next one works.
 
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reef said:
No regrets. The only issue at the moment is Octopus have installed my Zappi charger but not made the final connection to the meter so I'm stuck charging at 14-23p/kWh at 2.2kW through the granny cable. The engineer was worried the 80A main fuse was not enough. Northern power do not fit higher so I'm not sure what he expects them to do. Octopus have been poor, with complete radio silence since he came a week ago despite emailing and DMing them on twitter. I'll have to ring them tomorrow as it's not good enough.

Once they actually finish the fitting I'll be on their EV saver tariff so can charge at 6p/kWh and fill the house batteries aswell. It'll be approx. 10x cheaper per mile than the A45.
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How are you getting on with the charger? I've had a quote for mine, decided to lift the patio/grass so we can bury and replace the current cable to the garage (doesn't meet current requirements). Decided to go with an Ohme ePod just in case I do end up moving away from the current supplier onto a smart tarrif.

Still enjoying the car? Anything you wish you knew when you first got it that you've since worked out? I've still got an estimated delivery date of Feb/March time at the moment. Bit gutted as I know of quite a few people that have waited just over a month and a half for theirs to get delivered. At least it gives me time to get the charger ready.
 
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Homer-Simpson said:
How are you getting on with the charger? I've had a quote for mine, decided to lift the patio/grass so we can bury and replace the current cable to the garage (doesn't meet current requirements). Decided to go with an Ohme ePod just in case I do end up moving away from the current supplier onto a smart tarrif.

Still enjoying the car? Anything you wish you new when you first got it that you've since worked out? I've still got an estimated delivery date of Feb/March time at the moment. Bit gutted as I know of quite a few people that have waited just over a month and a half for theirs to get delivered. At least it gives me time to get the charger ready.
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It took another month to get the charger installation completed. Northern Power came back in 5 days saying there were no issues with the fuse size. I had a nightmare with Octopus getting it booked and was initially given a date of 2nd December(!), but managed to get 14th November in the end. The engineer was literally here 15 minutes to finish the job and its all working well with Octopus Intelligent Go meaning I can charge at 6p/kWh on their Intelligent Go EV saver tariff (and the house battery too).

The car is spot on. I especially appreciated the pre-heating during the last week. :p It gets about 2.4 miles /kWh so range is about 190-200 miles. The main thing is its costing me a tenth to run compared to the A45, not to mention saving on servicing, tyres, insurance and MOT compared to the Merc. All in all, with the savings its coming in at less than £300/month for the Ioniq 5N compared to the A45 which I owned outright, so not bad at all.
 
Went to Brent Cross to check out the Model Y; turns out Tesla isn't even there anymore. Lols.

I think Renault or Explorer now - the Y is just too large.
 
chanjy said:
The Explorer is so ugly (imo of course) so Team Scenic
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I think I agree - although the Renault has cloth seats vs. the half leathers on the Explorer.

Edit: I also screwed up my spreadsheet so Enyaq is back on the cards, lol. Edition 85 Suite is ~636 a year more than the Scenic, but it is a fraction bigger storage/rear wise.
 
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keyser van someone said:
125ish miles per week so not huge. Sit in car, not much else about around Tesla chargers usually. Can go for a walk about at the nicer one but I can't miss the end of charge or it costs £1 per min while plugged in not charging. Usually listen to podcast, radio, doomscrolling, youtube, same as stuff I do indoors :)

It's mostly the temperature that seems to affect range the most. Summer weeks I'd get 5.5 miles per kw, at the moment it's more like 3 miles per kw.

Tesla prices around here at site A 41p or site B 37p, both membership price which is £8.99 per month (which I'd forgotten about!). The membership pays for itself and really more useful when doing more miles. I have an Eletroverse card but not used it, I always go to Tesla chargers, only ever had 2 chargers fail, just drive to the next bay and the next one works.
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Fair play for going EV without home charging but you are really shafting yourself on refueling time and cost per mile by doing so.
 
Is there something wrong with the 2021 Nissan Leaf? noticed the Nissan dealer near me is going through loads of them cheap and/or putting them up at the kind of price I'd expect then after 1-2 weeks they are massively reduced. Don't believe there is any battery lease or anything like that involved, most of them are on low miles. The prices on the like 2020 and 2022 models are more like I'd expect.
 
lordrobs said:
Fair play for going EV without home charging but you are really shafting yourself on refueling time and cost per mile by doing so.
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question is - how the price(&ownership cost) compares with the petrol equivalent 125 local miles/pw is probably £20 .... so if he'spending £15 supercharger, he's winning there;
 
Rroff said:
Is there something wrong with the 2021 Nissan Leaf? noticed the Nissan dealer near me is going through loads of them cheap and/or putting them up at the kind of price I'd expect then after 1-2 weeks they are massively reduced. Don't believe there is any battery lease or anything like that involved, most of them are on low miles. The prices on the like 2020 and 2022 models are more like I'd expect.
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Cheap because used EVs don't sell, it's not just the leaf. They are stacking up at dealerships and they can't shift them. Many independent ones have stopped buying them, but main dealers don't have a choice.

Good if you want a used bargain, but it's not good for the industry.
 
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jpaul said:
question is - how the price(&ownership cost) compares with the petrol equivalent 125 local miles/pw is probably £20 .... so if he'spending £15 supercharger, he's winning there;
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Rather pay £5 more and not sit in the car for an hour. Fuel isn’t the only comparison point
 
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