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Rroff said:
Help you in what way?

Kenai: "Well you'll be pleased to know, there's no such faffing in my VW Group based vehicle, it just turns the demister on and off and everything else is otherwise unaffected :p"
Me: "From Googling the Cupras seem to have touch buttons in with the headlight controls for it" as in yes it does.

No suggesting he is wrong.

I'm not sure why you are struggling so much it is pretty plain - OK Kenai doesn't mention he drives a Cupra in that post but did mention it in a recent post.
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What’s a touch button. ? As opposed to a what ?

I have a cupra btw. You said you didn’t like vw cause of everying in screen. Which is wrong.

Basically you make stuff up. Get corrected then spin something to make out you said something else.
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
It’s okay people with main character syndrome aren’t as frequent as you are.
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This is why you have such a problem with me - your ego is challenged by you considering me having main character syndrome but personally I really don't care to be the main character or not, hence why I often caveat a lot of what I say though for some reason that goes unnoticed.
 
Simon said:
What’s a touch button. ? As opposed to a what ?

I have a cupra btw. You said you didn’t like vw cause of everying in screen. Which is wrong.

Basically you make stuff up. Get corrected then spin something to make out you said something else.
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I don't like VW because of the increasing move towards touch buttons and putting things into the touchscreen UI which should be physical buttons - that there is some varied implementation across models doesn't change the overall reason why I tend to learn away from the brand these days - though I'm talking more VW than VW group as evident above I don't have much experience with Cupras or for that matter SEAT in more modern times.

A touch button is where you've got a static surface which responds to touch to activate rather than a physical moving button - better than having things nested in menus but personally still prefer physical buttons and when you aren't familiar with a car it is easy to assume things are just illuminated indicative symbols rather than active controls when implemented as touch buttons.
 
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Simon said:
I can only suggest trying some out. You might be surprised.
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I have tried some out, one of my brother has an ID.7 for example and previously had several 2020s Golfs.

Though I might be wrong on one aspect of the ID.7 having seen what Kenai was pointing out as I think I assumed the defogging symbols were just indicative rather than active buttons due to the implementation and position as touch buttons and assuming you had to go through the climate menu to enable/disable, though that is just one aspect of what I have a problem with.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
It’s okay people with main character syndrome aren’t as frequent as you are.
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Rroff said:
This is why you have such a problem with me - your ego is challenged by you considering me having main character syndrome but personally I really don't care to be the main character or not, hence why I often caveat a lot of what I say though for some reason that goes unnoticed.
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I’m tempted to ban you both until the end of the month. Pack it in both of you.
 
Demise of the physical buttons is the pathway to level 5 automation - what everyone wants right ? ( gearsticks gone, driving aids with loss of personal autonomy/purpose)
with the dystopian future where your free car will take you where you want if you agree to watching this advertising from your sponsor
 
Rroff said:
I don't like VW because of the increasing move towards touch buttons and putting things into the touchscreen UI which should be physical buttons - that there is some varied implementation across models doesn't change the overall reason why I tend to learn away from the brand these days - though I'm talking more VW than VW group as evident above I don't have much experience with Cupras or for that matter SEAT in more modern times.

A touch button is where you've got a static surface which responds to touch to activate rather than a physical moving button - better than having things nested in menus but personally still prefer physical buttons and when you aren't familiar with a car it is easy to assume things are just illuminated indicative symbols rather than active controls when implemented as touch buttons.
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Name a car brand that isn't doing that though... why single out VW?
 
Roff, you should go full cold tukey and buy yourself a Tesla, no de-fogger button needed, its all automatic.

In fairness it does genuinly work, as does the automatic heated seats, just don't ask me about the automatic wipers and we are all good ;)
 
Today was one of those days I felt really smug for having an EV. I expect some petrol cars have had this, though none I've ever owned, but going out to the car at 7am this morning and not having to even think about de-icing the car was lovely. Just got out, sat in a warm car and off I went!
 
chanjy said:
Name a car brand that isn't doing that though... why single out VW?
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I wasn't singling out VW as such - Kenai originally suggested VW as having vehicles that matched my other requirements, but I feel VW is up there with some of the worst for doing this - some brands, and even the industry in general, have even started to backtrack on it.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Roff, you should go full cold tukey and buy yourself a Tesla, no de-fogger button needed, its all automatic.

In fairness it does genuinly work, as does the automatic heated seats, just don't ask me about the automatic wipers and we are all good ;)
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It isn't really an EV specific thing - it is one of the main reasons I'm still using mid to late 2010s cars in general despite being able to afford newer. (Not specifically defogger implementation). I really don't enjoy the dashboard setup and approach to controls on a lot of newer cars. Fortunately it seems the industry is starting to backtrack a bit.

Going "cold turkey" doesn't solve the reasons I don't own an EV (being on emergency call out, etc.). A hybrid would work there but I've not found one which would be ideal - most of the Nissans are not plug in hybrids which would defeat some of the point.
 
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Junglist said:
Today was one of those days I felt really smug for having an EV. I expect some petrol cars have had this, though none I've ever owned, but going out to the car at 7am this morning and not having to even think about de-icing the car was lovely. Just got out, sat in a warm car and off I went!
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One of the reasons I got an EV was heated windscreen and pre heating. If you are doing any early short run in winter demisting and/or de-icing the car takes longer than the actual journey. If you getting into the car in the evening it's also useful. Like getting off a train and the car is pre heated.
 
OspreyO said:
One of the reasons I got an EV was heated windscreen and pre heating. If you are doing any early short run in winter demisting and/or de-icing the car takes longer than the actual journey. If you getting into the car in the evening it's also useful. Like getting off a train and the car is pre heated.
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Yeah - Monday night came out of work after a long shift around 11pm to find the car iced over and had to spend a few minutes defogging and de-icing before setting off home - pre-heating would have been nice - though at the same time it doesn't really unduly bother me.
 
OspreyO said:
One of the reasons I got an EV was heated windscreen and pre heating. If you are doing any early short run in winter demisting and/or de-icing the car takes longer than the actual journey. If you getting into the car in the evening it's also useful. Like getting off a train and the car is pre heated.
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Same, my Leon was a great car but it was miserable to live with in the winter, it'd always ice up on the inside, take ages to warm up and had no heated seats or wheel. I used the preconditioning in my R5 for the first time the other morning and it was so good getting in to a warm car, warm steering wheel and a mostly clear windscreen. Annoyingly Renault's app is a bit naff, you can either precondition on demand which just turns the A/C on, or set a schedule which allows you to also set the heated seats/wheel. No idea why they can't just be done manually.
 
My previous Ibiza was an absolute pig once it got cold, took an age for the windscreen the clear after I'd already spent 5 minutes scrapping all the ice off. Walking out of the house at 4am these past 2 mornings to a completely deiced and toasty warm car (most importantly a warm steering wheel) has been a dream.
Massive help for my wife as well, means she's not juggling a wild two year old while trying to deice and warm her car up first thing.
 
as much as ford have gone downhill in recent years, my puma with heated windscreen and remote start was so nice in winter.

glad to have the same functionality with the Elroq, except for no heated windscreen but the normal cabin pre heat seems to handle the defrosting just fine.
 
chanjy said:
Because things might have changed since 2019 which is when the first ID card came out …?
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They changed very little in the ID cars. They might have fixed the bugs and it's it's more responsive. But while they back tracked a little bit on the golf and a few other models by going back to having buttons on the wheel instead of touch controls.

But they persist with a lack of buttons in the ID cars and the stupid two buttons to control 4 windows thing.

Touch controls (or voice control) is a penny pinching measure at the expense of ergonomics and user experience. And safety. Most manufacturers have realised this. VW and Tesla are still holding on.
 
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