EV general discussion

Rroff said:
Yeah - Monday night came out of work after a long shift around 11pm to find the car iced over and had to spend a few minutes defogging and de-icing before setting off home - pre-heating would have been nice - though at the same time it doesn't really unduly bother me.
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Bothers me. Like AC its a feature that I'll probably never buy a car without it going forward. Unless it's a classic car. I know some ICE cars can do it but most can't. Dunno about phevs.

It's not just the heating. The fumes of my old ice petrol as it sits there heating up and demisting are pretty noxious in the driveway. That can't be good for me. I realise that's partly because it's an old car with an old engine.
 
I didn't really think much about the ability to de-ice the car when i bought it but that has quickly become one of my favourite features.

My daughter is loving it too as the car is nice and warm for the school run.

Also like above i used to have to go and start the cars 10-15mins before leaving and the fumes really hang around on a cold morning, really glad not to have to deal with that any longer.

I don't know if I'm in the minority but my Ioniq has capacitive buttons for a few things like the climate controls and i don't see what the fuss is about, i think that's one of the things the ID3 was getting slammed for at launch? A proper dial is probably a bit easier or more tactile but in a modern car you almost never need to touch those controls anyway.
 
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VaderDSL said:
as much as ford have gone downhill in recent years, my puma with heated windscreen and remote start was so nice in winter.

glad to have the same functionality with the Elroq, except for no heated windscreen but the normal cabin pre heat seems to handle the defrosting just fine.
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The heated screen is the only thing I miss from my Focus in the 3 series, we're collecting an iX today (swapped the Mrs X1 for it) so am hoping things like preconditioning etc. will make winter driving more bearable, got a feeling as we don't do a massive drive apart from twice a year the EV is gonna get used more than my petrol one.

Will miss the Xdrive on the X1 though as the winters can be quite harsh in the Peak District
 
Preheating in the winter is lovely. Just a tappety tap on the app 5-10 mins before leaving and the windscreen is clear and the car is toasty warm.

sovietspybob said:
I don't know if I'm in the minority but my Ioniq has capacitive buttons for a few things like the climate controls and i don't see what the fuss is about, i think that's one of the things the ID3 was getting slammed for at launch? A proper dial is probably a bit easier or more tactile but in a modern car you almost never need to touch those controls anyway.
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Dials will always be better, but the implementation of capacitive buttons can range from god awful and annoying to just OK.

The implementation on the Tavascan and new Born, are much better than the OG ID3 for instance. I think they learned.
 
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sovietspybob said:
I don't know if I'm in the minority but my Ioniq has capacitive buttons for a few things like the climate controls and i don't see what the fuss is about, i think that's one of the things the ID3 was getting slammed for at launch? A proper dial is probably a bit easier or more tactile but in a modern car you almost never need to touch those controls anyway.
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I think the main compliant with the ID series wasn't so much the overall use of capacitive buttons but the usage of them on the steering wheel.

They're a bit weird with stages of touch force/swiping to do different things, they do take a bit of getting used to and feel a bit like reinventing the wheel for reinventions sake.
 
Remote cabin preheating with EVs is such a game changer. I'd think your neighbours are appreciative of it too, no petrol/diesel fumes lingering around (at their worst too as the exhaust system hasn't warmed up) or the sound of a tractor engine labouring in the morning.

One remote preheat setting my Seal doesn't have that I'm quite surprised at is the rear windscreen demister. Otherwise it's so nice getting in to a car that's warm, clear and ready to go!
 
OspreyO said:
They changed very little in the ID cars. They might have fixed the bugs and it's it's more responsive. But while they back tracked a little bit on the golf and a few other models by going back to having buttons on the wheel instead of touch controls.

But they persist with a lack of buttons in the ID cars and the stupid two buttons to control 4 windows thing.

Touch controls (or voice control) is a penny pinching measure at the expense of ergonomics and user experience. And safety. Most manufacturers have realised this. VW and Tesla are still holding on.
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This be fair the buttons on wheel are fine after a week of ownership and you mainly use for ACC which is the best system I’ve used especially with the augmented reality HUD. Saying that sometimes the buttons for the binnacle aren’t working as ive accidentally slide to the HUD controls but that’s a new feature on the newer ones. The Kia and Hyundai are good with the panel of buttons but you still had to use the many a fair bit to get into some settings. On the other hand remember some of the Porsches back in the day with over 25 buttons sneezed all over the dash and centre. I think there’s deffo a sweet spot. Hence we went from blackberry to iPhone style phones.

I think Tesla are starting to look at car play now too

The later VW group have a new GUI bigger higher res screen and instant response. The lower part of screen is mappable to your chosen buttons (eg ac on off and heated wheel). Temp and volume are lit and on sliders. It’s much better in my experience of going from a 72 to 75 plate.

Did London and back yesterday. Since going bigger battery I’ve suddenly stopped worrying about speed / heating etc. but having the heater on 22-23 in this weather obviously hits m/kwh and got 3.1.

Long trip later of a regular (in born v2) 190miles motorway for first time in my born VZ so interesting how it does vs my born v2. The wider sporty tyres prob offset any motor efficiency gain at motorway speed anyway. Likely I will end up going quicker mind you as the v2 needed to sit at 72 to make it on a single charge
 
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porsche reveal about their screen and buttons looks ready to please everyone with 100K+,
productization of wireless charging, but you'd need a secure property so pad isn't stolen.



 
sovietspybob said:
I didn't really think much about the ability to de-ice the car when i bought it but that has quickly become one of my favourite features.

My daughter is loving it too as the car is nice and warm for the school run.

Also like above i used to have to go and start the cars 10-15mins before leaving and the fumes really hang around on a cold morning, really glad not to have to deal with that any longer.

I don't know if I'm in the minority but my Ioniq has capacitive buttons for a few things like the climate controls and i don't see what the fuss is about, i think that's one of the things the ID3 was getting slammed for at launch? A proper dial is probably a bit easier or more tactile but in a modern car you almost never need to touch those controls anyway.
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There are good touch buttons and screens and bad ones. The early ID ones are bad too the point of unusable for some people.
 
Mysterae_ said:
Remote cabin preheating with EVs is such a game changer. I'd think your neighbours are appreciative of it too, no petrol/diesel fumes lingering around (at their worst too as the exhaust system hasn't warmed up) or the sound of a tractor engine labouring in the morning.
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What they might not appreciate is the sound of my cars heat pump compressor doing full chat at 5am (gotta hit that cheap rate right?) on Sunday morning!

It’s not exactly quiet.
 
tom_e said:
I think the main compliant with the ID series wasn't so much the overall use of capacitive buttons but the usage of them on the steering wheel.

They're a bit weird with stages of touch force/swiping to do different things, they do take a bit of getting used to and feel a bit like reinventing the wheel for reinventions sake.
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We have an VW ID.3 and a BMW i4. The ID.3's capacitive pad things take a lot of getting used to. I still hit them by accident while manoeuvring sometimes. The "click" noise being quite loud and coming from all of the cars speakers is a bit weird. The BMW has real buttons on the wheel (I think every button in the car is real), and they take no getting used to at all. Physical buttons are better than any implementation of capacitive that I've tried.

Another thing I keep getting wrong is trying to operate the sun-visor with my left hand. There is only a hand-hold in the recess it sits in for your right hand. The BMW is ambidextrous. This is another thing I've sometimes had to "get used to" on many cars. There is a place reserved in heaven for anyone who designs a sun visor that's usable with either hand.
 
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You can turn that clicking off. First thing I did. The capacitive feature do have the extra feature of sliding to do cruise and volume quicker depending on slide speed

I have buttons on my BMW and I find the most annoying thing about going between the two cars is the volume is different sides of the wheel. Oh and if you heat the car before getting in the steering wheel is almost too hot to hold
 
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The ID3 was cost cutting too far and software released too early. The cabin is spartan and cheap feeling place compared to Mk7/8 golf. The face lift ID3 are better.
That said even the early ones are nice to drive and the EV bit of it, charging, range is all good. Warranty is a bit stingy though.
 
Indeed. Still not got around to heater ducts for rear. They did at least add rear speakers on later ones
 
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Some kind of EV version of fuel tax is coming at some point. It's fair enough, we need money for the pot holes (please fix the pot holes) etc. It's just instead of it being a hidden cost at the pump you can now see exactly how much it is. One of the ideas is 3p per mile, but how that would be implemented I don't know.

www.theguardian.com

Will pay-per-mile raise Reeves money or drive people away from electric vehicles?

Need for new road taxes is clear – but there are concerns that pricing plan could stall transition away from petrol
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
keyser van someone said:
Some kind of EV version of fuel tax is coming at some point. It's fair enough, we need money for the pot holes (please fix the pot holes) etc. It's just instead of it being a hidden cost at the pump you can now see exactly how much it is. One of the ideas is 3p per mile, but how that would be implemented I don't know.

www.theguardian.com

Will pay-per-mile raise Reeves money or drive people away from electric vehicles?

Need for new road taxes is clear – but there are concerns that pricing plan could stall transition away from petrol
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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If you search this forum then you will find a pay per mile was discussed about hgvs - 7-8 years ago;)
 
I think (hope) they will talk about per mile for ages before realising it’s dumb and just copy the Norwegian model. Main roads between population centres are usually toll roads. You pick one of several tags to put in your window or you pay a little more and Statens Vegvessen e-faktura (digital bill) you from your plate. I can see my use in an app:

Here it’s a flat rate, which I think is fine, but it could vary by vehicle type.
 
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They will follow the New Zealand RUC model with paper disc that has to match mileage if the vehicle with police checks like they did motor tax. It scales with vehicle weight etc.

I assume in Norway it's a lot harder to bypass toll roads and drive all the traffic into rat running.

For anyone who does less mileage its fairer system.
 
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