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Personally hate the design language being chucked at far too many cars in recent years so find the Ioniq 5 relatively inoffensive in that respect.

I really wonder who the audience is for many new car designs as increasingly most people I know in person find the design of newer cars increasingly hateful looking.
 
Depends on what you want practicality wise - for example the new Renault 5 is a fairly nice design (one of those which looks far nicer in the flesh than images convey) and practical if you want a car to just jump in and out of for daily use.
 
Coupe SUV was the worst trend along with the stupid jacked up small SUV designs. I’m old school, 3 box saloon,estate, and hot hatch design for fun. That’s all we need. Have a land cruiser or hilux if your a farmer and a tranny if your a builder. That’s it, that’s all the world needs :p
 
Tinders said:
and a tranny if your a builder
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Personally not a big fan of the newer Transit designs - they've managed to make them look narrower than they actually are with the styling, while have big sticking out wing mirrors - our work ones get hit by passing motorists for a pastime and I think that is why, whereas we never have that issue with other brands/models.

EDIT: Also not a fan of the newer ones inside at all either - the silly parking brake button by your right knee and stuff like the power bar for revs (albeit you can change that in the options but still seems to have been designed by an idiot).
 
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Tinders said:
and a tranny if your a builder. That’s it, that’s all the world needs :p
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I think the term is cross dresser these days ;)

as for car designs. for me it is the front grill I dislike on a lot of cars with BMW and mercedes being the worst examples.

someone (possibly on here) suggested it is the Chinese market which lap up that massive front grill style, and because that is such a big market everyone else has to live with them. dunno if true however and even if it is would not explain why some of the actual Chinese cars. look nothing like that.
(I would love something like the face lifted xpeng p7 on my driveway )
 
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BMW grills these days crack me up, it is like someone did something for a laugh or malicious internally and somehow it was taken seriously and rolled out.
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indeed. the shame of it is (in my subjective opinion) go back a decade and BMW made some really nice looking cars.
(I would like to have seen a genuine update to the i8 and the (proper) i3
 
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indeed. the shame of it is (in my subjective opinion) go back a decade and BMW made some really nice looking cars.
(I would like to have seen a genuine update to the i8 and the (proper) i3
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To be fair something like a M3 G80 is still a really nice looking car... if you somehow can look past that grill... though the design language overall does hark back to those decade or so back cars.
 
Compared to the majority of ev's produced that resemble boxes, buses, tanks, the design of the BMW i4, and it's front grill, is a example of how to do things differently in a world where they all look the same.
Some wish to overstate what is purely an opinion then go on to say something like an iconic 5, Renault 5 etc etc, look lgood.
Really?.
 
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I spotted it can tow 1800kg and I like the design so it certainly meets our requirements except for the elephant in the room - the price.

£90k or £900/month seems a bit steep for the launch edition. Direct sales as well so no discounts.

Edit: that £900/month is a 48 month pcp with £17k down and 6k miles, £33k final payment.

A lease is £1093/months with an initial payment of 12 months and only 5k miles for that.

Yeh, no thanks.
 
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Out of intrest what's people's view on the ionic 5? We went to view one and found it ticked all the boxes for us, including a big boot for the golden retriever but I've been reading up on the iccu issue and starting to question if it's a good idea. Problem is I'm struggling to find somthing similar for under £20,000. Possibly a Niro but it looks like they also suffer with the issue?
 
It's always hard to know how much of a real issue that is, it is defo a weak point of those cars but no one knows the actual failure rate.

No one i know with one has had a failure but again that's pretty worthless as evidence, but by the same token looking at owners groups you'll only hear the ones with issues shouting so that'll give you a really skewed view as well.

I think a lot of the fuss was that they couldn't get hold of replacement parts for a lot of people when it first reared its head a year or so back so the people effected made a lot of noise (quite rightly really) when they had to wait months and months for their cars to be fixed.
 
polestar - zeekr 7x/07gt will be the poor mens polestars similar chassis & towing

bigmike20vt said:
someone (possibly on here) suggested it is the Chinese market which lap up that massive front grill style, and because that is such a big market everyone else has to live with them. dunno if true however and even if it is would not explain why some of the actual Chinese cars. look nothing like that.
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paradox of china appealing to poor westerners/prols, versus ze germans wanting to export to rich chinese,
but with relatively unencumbered under-bonnet of an ev why they can't all return to classic/nostalic designs - maybe crash protection is expensive
 
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It's always hard to know how much of a real issue that is, it is defo a weak point of those cars but no one knows the actual failure rate.

No one i know with one has had a failure but again that's pretty worthless as evidence, but by the same token looking at owners groups you'll only hear the ones with issues shouting so that'll give you a really skewed view as well.

I think a lot of the fuss was that they couldn't get hold of replacement parts for a lot of people when it first reared its head a year or so back so the people effected made a lot of noise (quite rightly really) when they had to wait months and months for their cars to be fixed.
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That true my main concern was the repair bill. I've seen reports of £4000. Problem is I really like it.
 
robinbanks said:
That true my main concern was the repair bill. I've seen reports of £4000. Problem is I really like it.
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Yeah its times like that where Telsa's warranty is a lot better as they cover the drivetrain along with the battery for the 8 years, makes the Hyundai warranty seems a bit stingy compared to their sister brand Kia :(
 
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