EV general discussion

Diddums said:
In a society where everyone's up to their eyeballs in debt and living month to month paying off bills, stuff like this goes a long way. Granted it's not for everyone, but for many people, this is cheap motoring, with warranty, for buttons. Dunno why anyone would have a problem with it tbh.
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It’s still nine thousand pounds. People who ‘should’ buy this are in £500 bangers. Tbh it’s not even that cheap as it’s worth nothing after you finished with it. So it’s a bit odd. I guess it’s on a fire sale for a reason

My first cupra was £9k for 3 years. But that included everything. This is a massive wedge for a tiny car that is horrifically slow and limited range. Just to ‘save money’
 
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Diddums said:
Perhaps, but after that you handed it back and that was that.
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Indeed. How much is that Dacia worth after 3yrs. How much was insurance, service, VED tyres etc. just seems like it doesn’t actually save any money in the bigger picture for the compromises it makes
 
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We test drove our first EV today, now considering replacing our 2.2 SMAX Titanium X with something more economical. The first we tested was a runaround for the wife, Citroen E-C3. Really impressive little motor. Road noise has been well dampened, handles well and very smooth driving experience. Bit odd to have so much resistance when you stop accelerating, not something you get with traditional vehicles, was the oddest experience but I guess something you'd get used too.

Tomorrow we're testing a Jaecoo 5. Looking forward to trying this one out. Given the discounts through salary sacrifice and the saving made from fuel and maintenance by switching, seems like a good time to give one a go.
 
snips86x said:
Bit odd to have so much resistance when you stop accelerating, not something you get with traditional vehicles, was the oddest experience but I guess something you'd get used too.
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If you mean regenerative braking to make one-pedal driving, then you should be able to turn that off so the it just coasts when you take your foot off the accelerator and feels like a normal car.
 
Duke said:
https://www.euroncap.com/assessments/dacia/spring/0910/ :eek:
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It can't really score much better without all the ADAS safety gizmos though. Plenty of people driving far less structurally sound cars on the roads from yesteryear. I'd not worry about driving it from a safety perspective but then again I drive a mk1 MX-5 and the ADAS in my Astra decided to randomly emergency brake check a tailgating Qashquai on the M25 last week which was just another example of why I don't particularly value ADAS while it isn't 100% reliable.

Some people just don't feel confident buying anything but a new car so there is a market for them. I wouldn't have that one as it is just that bit too compromised being designed for the Indian market originally but the new Spring that is coming out will make a decent enough run about for people.

It's hard to say just what they will be worth longer term. If the world goes into turmoil again giving manufacturers the excuse to do another COVID level price shift they could be like the Nissan Pixo / Suzuki Alto which people effectively drove depreciation free for about 5 years.
 
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They don't seem to yet test advanced ADAS features for crash avoidance where the chinese cars/BYD just crash into the obstacle or go for the gap,
survived for 25 years without ASC/traction control on a rwd bmw, good passive safety of good visibility too - didn't go for the spike on the steering wheel option.

Renault4 rag top perhaps a better solution for the surf lifestyle on devon beaches , cement mixer could stick out of the roof.
 
Simon said:
It’s still nine thousand pounds. People who ‘should’ buy this are in £500 bangers. Tbh it’s not even that cheap as it’s worth nothing after you finished with it. So it’s a bit odd. I guess it’s on a fire sale for a reason

My first cupra was £9k for 3 years. But that included everything.
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Yes but after the 3 years / £9k you have nothing to show for it, whereas the person buying the Spring has a perfectly functional 3 year old car.

I'm certainly not arguing whether it's a decent car or not, and agree that smart money would be spent on a used example of a better car, but some people "need" to have a new car, and if all they need is a little runaround to nip to the shops occasionally or drop the kids at school then this does fit that requirement.
 
snips86x said:
Citroen E-C3. Really impressive little motor.
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Jesus avoid that car, had one for a while as a courtesy vehicle and it was terrible to live with, there are so many other better EV's at that price point. Are you looking at a used or new for the runaround?
 
cuke2u said:
Have you tested the strength of the mobile signal where the charger is located?
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Mobile signal is good. This has only been happening for the last month or so and I think a update caused it.
Mr109 said:
If you really need to charge, try a factory reset. Hold all three buttons for 10 seconds.
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I was looking for a way to do that but couldn't find anything so many thanks for that. I won't do one though because I am submitting a complaint to OHME tomorrow in the hope it will give them a kick up the backside. In the meantime I used the granny charger to charge the car which involves blocking the back gate with the car because the lead isn't quite long enough so not ideal.
 
tamzzy said:
For £9k-ish a used id3 or along that ilk would be a much better buy.
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Or you could also get a £10k 2019 Model 3 with 100k+ miles on it?

It's kind of a joke but also interesting as I was discussing this yesterday, it's a similar price to a used 3-series (various models) or the same age, usually less mileage. So if you've had once since new and were panicking about residuals, it seems that they are now equalising, this was one of the arguments all those years ago that a 7 year old EV would be worthless, when in fact the person who bought the Model 3 has ended up quids in. At 50mpg and £1.42l average for 100k miles the BMW would have cost £13,000 in fuel, the Tesla at 4mpWkh and 10ppkWh (ave price inc. charging losses losses) would have spent £2,500. Not to mention the saving on services etc.
 
Journey said:
So if you've had once since new and were panicking about residuals, it seems that they are now equalising, this was one of the arguments all those years ago that a 7 year old EV would be worthless,
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Yeah, when I last looked the rate of depreciation for older EVs were similar to ICE equivalents.

Im guessing the "horrendous" initial depreciation is also because most are taking the cars on salary sacrifice so with the negligible BIK, the first 3-4 years is basically half the actual cost.
 
Journey said:
Jesus avoid that car, had one for a while as a courtesy vehicle and it was terrible to live with, there are so many other better EV's at that price point. Are you looking at a used or new for the runaround?
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Used and runaround. We've been toying with keeping the smax and getting a little run around like that or simply getting a full on EV replacement. We've fallen for the Jaecoo 5 EV after driving today.
 
Weird thing I noticed on the ID. 4

Plugged into a public charger today at 18%

It went down to 12% and now back to 20% having been charging for a little bit.


Any ideas why it would do that?


When I plugged in it suggested 44 miles of range, dropped to 35 as it started charging and now at 50.


Can’t say I’ve noticed a car do that before
 
tamzzy said:
For £9k-ish a used id3 or along that ilk would be a much better buy.
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Can get a low mileage not that old Leaf for around that money as well - some of them so low miles they are practically like new still. Though prices seem to be slowly creeping back up with this Iran situation.

Personally gone completely off VW - acquaintance is having issues with their Buzz currently where it suddenly won't go above 40MPH, no warnings or logged faults - been "fixed" twice.
 
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