EV general discussion

[Penfold101]

Just to add to this perhaps we could start a new business like Deliveroo, but people being paid to take your car to a charger, even if you paid someone £13 an hour, once a week for 1.5 hours to go and charge you car you'd still be saving ~£500 over the year. Based on the above pricing. So big oil get less and people gain employment, win-win.

300kw charger on the back of a truck? DC charge on the driveway?

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Might need a fairly large truck though and payback on investment will be a while! Especially with the cost of diesel…

 

[lordrobs]

The cost some of people's electricity bill for their entire home for the whole year...

OK... relevance in the context of trying to convince someone to bin off their £19k VW to buy a £19k Tesla?

Here's one if we are going down the random rabbit hole. Sell £19k VW diesel, buy £9k economical petrol car capable of 45 mpg. That will keep the £4 a day wolf from the door for nearly 7 years without having to sit at a charger at 11pm.

 

[Journey]

OK... relevance in the context of trying to convince someone to bin off their £19k VW to buy a £19k Tesla?

I am not trying to convince anyone - they asked for a Tesla not me.

Here's one if we are going down the random rabbit hole. Sell £19k VW diesel, buy £9k economical petrol car capable of 45 mpg. That will keep the £4 a day wolf from the door for nearly 7 years without having to sit at a charger at 11pm.

So get a worse car with more chance of it going wrong and still have to queue at refuelling station. Again why is sitting at a charger a problem if you are doing something you'd be sitting down for anyhow? We get it, its not for you but the person who posted wanted to know the cost savings, they have yet to comment if they care about sitting at a charger for an hour a week.

 

[OspreyO]

OK... relevance in the context of trying to convince someone to bin off their £19k VW to buy a £19k Tesla?

Here's one if we are going down the random rabbit hole. Sell £19k VW diesel, buy £9k economical petrol car capable of 45 mpg. That will keep the £4 a day wolf from the door for nearly 7 years without having to sit at a charger at 11pm.

Vast majority of EV owners charge at home. So we are really talking of a very small % of drivers.
Without home charging it kills the convience and fuel savings. For me anyway. Though I've public AC chargers at the train station I get to work. It would be zero inconvenience to charge the car there while I'm at work. There also used to be one beside work.

If you add up the number of times an ICE driver fills up at petrol station it's quite a considerable amount of time just doing that.

But if you look at the total cost of ownership which includes depreciation and expensive servicing and repairs for ICE vehicles these days. One is not obviously cheaper. It's very nuanced around personal usage and habits. Any untypical failure or repair tips it the other direction.

 

[OspreyO]

I think you'd to track total cost of ownership to know which is better. I know right my older ICE repairs are not quite as expensive than I thought after tracking it. But dropping it in and out of the mechanic has become a pita.

 

[lordrobs]

I am not trying to convince anyone - they asked for a Tesla not me.


So get a worse car with more chance of it going wrong and still have to queue at refuelling station. Again why is sitting at a charger a problem if you are doing something you'd be sitting down for anyhow? We get it, its not for you but the person who posted wanted to know the cost savings, they have yet to comment if they care about sitting at a charger for an hour a week.

Worse is subjective and more chance of going wrong would depend on the car. You also generally don't queue at petrol stations beyond waiting for the person already on the pump to finish. Normally petrol stations have multiple empty pumps when you rock up.

It's not just sitting in the car for an hour a week, it's the fact that the "savings" you are stating require you to sit in the car between 11pm and midnight, or between 7am and 8am. The car won't teleport itself there so you are adding on unnecessary travel time each way as well.

If the scenario was "I go to gym for an hour a week anyway and there is a charger a ten minute walk away" then it's a completely different prospect. But likewise it would be a different level of cost saving if you were doing it in normal diurnal people time.

I'm sure it was you who sounded like you needed counselling after the trauma of having to fill up an ICE car at the petrol station compared to the ease of charging at home. Totally agree that is more convenient. But now you are shrugging off a pretty inconvenient weekly ritual as if its a non event.

 

[OspreyO]

Worse is subjective and more chance of going wrong would depend on the car. You also generally don't queue at petrol stations beyond waiting for the person already on the pump to finish. Normally petrol stations have multiple empty pumps when you rock up.

It's not just sitting in the car for an hour a week, it's the fact that the "savings" you are stating require you to sit in the car between 11pm and midnight, or between 7am and 8am. The car won't teleport itself there so you are adding on unnecessary travel time each way as well.

If the scenario was "I go to gym for an hour a week anyway and there is a charger a ten minute walk away" then it's a completely different prospect. But likewise it would be a different level of cost saving if you were doing it in normal diurnal people time.

I'm sure it was you who sounded like you needed counselling after the trauma of having to fill up an ICE car at the petrol station compared to the ease of charging at home. Totally agree that is more convenient. But now you are shrugging off a pretty inconvenient weekly ritual as if its a non event.

People spend more than you think at fuel stops.

A typical petrol station visit in the UK, including fueling and paying, usually takes around 20 minutes. This includes time for navigating to the pump and potentially waiting in a queue. Over a year, this can add up to over 30 hours for regular drivers. Many drivers also spend less than £5 on extra items.

Average Time: Roughly 20 minutes per visit.
Monthly Impact: Drivers fill up about five times a month, losing 90 to 155 minutes.
Annual Impact: Over 30 hours per year.

I used to fill up the ICE twice a month. Now its once every 2-3 months. I generally go to a local station and often have to queue. Guess that depends where you are. Local one is busy.

 

[Kenai]

What's the source of that statistic?

I don't believe for a moment that the typical average time taken to refuel a car is even close to 20 minutes.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

What's the source of that statistic?

I don't believe for a moment that the typical average time taken to refuel a car is even close to 20 minutes.

Hard to imagine, but then people love to take their sweet time while they block the pumps.

 

[VincentHanna]

What's the source of that statistic?

I don't believe for a moment that the typical average time taken to refuel a car is even close to 20 minutes.

Depends, it seems to assume people are making specific journeys to and from their house to do so, whereas most people I would say get petrol when they need it and are already out.

 

[J1nxy]

4th time lucky? The CLA has been rejected and is being returned this week with its replacement hopefully being collected on Thursday/Friday...you couldn't make this up, people wouldn't believe the utter disaster of car buying I've had since the end of December.

 

[Journey]

But now you are shrugging off a pretty inconvenient weekly ritual as if its a non event.

No I am not - I am saying it is worth the savings - you get getting paid more than minimum wage in savings. More like £20 per hour.

It's not just sitting in the car for an hour a week, it's the fact that the "savings" you are stating require you to sit in the car between 11pm and midnight, or between 7am and 8am. The car won't teleport itself there so you are adding on unnecessary travel time each way as well.

I fully get it, it isn't for you. How about you ask the person who made the query in the first place? I am saying that to me almost £1500 a year - I'd be happy to sit at a charger.

 

[Rroff]

What's the source of that statistic?

I don't believe for a moment that the typical average time taken to refuel a car is even close to 20 minutes.

Nominally I'm straight in, takes just over a minute to put half a tank in the Qashqai, slightly longer on my other vehicles, couple of minutes to pay unless there is a queue at the till/hatch, at busy times though could be anything. I generally aim to avoid busy times though. Usually in and out in less than 5.

 

[ICDP]

What's the source of that statistic?

I don't believe for a moment that the typical average time taken to refuel a car is even close to 20 minutes.

It sounds like worse case scenario but then when you start adding up the lost time it doesn’t seem far fetched. I know this because when I got my first EV I was still tasked with filling up my wife’s ICE. So I began taking notice of the time taken to fill up just for “science”.

I would fill up twice a month from empty to full because it meant less visits. I would typically fill it up at night when it was quieter and it was typically taking ~15 minutes from the moment I got up to put my coat on until the moment I got back home and put my slippers on and sat my ass back in the sofa.

 

[ICDP]

4th time lucky? The CLA has been rejected and is being returned this week with its replacement hopefully being collected on Thursday/Friday...you couldn't make this up, people wouldn't believe the utter disaster of car buying I've had since the end of December.

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Good luck with this one.

 

[Kenai]

It sounds like worse case scenario but then when you start adding up the lost time it doesn’t seem far fetched. I know this because when I got my first EV I was still tasked with filling up my wife’s ICE. So I began taking notice of the time taken to fill up just for “science”.

I would fill up twice a month from empty to full because it meant less visits. I would typically fill it up at night when it was quieter and it was typically taking ~15 minutes from the moment I got up to put my coat on until the moment I got back home and put my slippers on and sat my ass back in the sofa.

So even making it a special dedicated trip to do it rather than it just being on your way to somewhere, you were still 5 minutes under the claimed 'typical average' time?

 

[J1nxy]

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Good luck with this one.

Yes the irony of that isn't lost and that didn't even come from car buying oh well lets see what happens this time...more details will be posted once the CLA has gone back and its replacement is on the drive (based on recent experience...)

 

[Journey]

4th time lucky? The CLA has been rejected and is being returned this week with its replacement hopefully being collected on Thursday/Friday...you couldn't make this up, people wouldn't believe the utter disaster of car buying I've had since the end of December.

WTH happened to this one then? You should get some sort of award for your patience.

 

[ICDP]

Yes the irony of that isn't lost and that didn't even come from car buying oh well lets see what happens this time...more details will be posted once the CLA has gone back and its replacement is on the drive (based on recent experience...)

My wife got a new iX2 XDrive30 M Sport last Friday. Thankfully zero issues with it at all. I thought they were hideous looking things apart from the front but after driving it and looking at it more, it is actually growing on me. It is also more efficient than it has a right to be given it is a mid size SUV.

I got to sit in and look closely at the new iX3 as well but do not like the deeper Beaver tooth design of the front grille.

I do like the CLA as well and I hope you the best with it this time.

 

[OspreyO]

It sounds like worse case scenario but then when you start adding up the lost time it doesn’t seem far fetched. I know this because when I got my first EV I was still tasked with filling up my wife’s ICE. So I began taking notice of the time taken to fill up just for “science”.

I would fill up twice a month from empty to full because it meant less visits. I would typically fill it up at night when it was quieter and it was typically taking ~15 minutes from the moment I got up to put my coat on until the moment I got back home and put my slippers on and sat my ass back in the sofa.

Its 22 mins total just driving to and from my local station not including filling or paying. Assuming no queue and there often is, either at the pump or paying. No way I can do it the usual "1min" thats claimed. Its 30 mins to and from my preferred station not including filling or paying. Though that one I usually pay at the pump. Usually no queue. I usually fill the tank when it hits red. Never timed it, but I doubt that takes only a minute. Maybe it does.

"...Pumping Fuel: Between 2 and 3 minutes to actually dispense the fuel for a typical 40–55 litre tank. Standard UK pumps generally flow at a rate of approximately 30 to 45 litres per minute..."

I assume that that people don't maintain 100% flow 100% of the time.