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hey still went and provided a quote, £532.36 just for doing the rears!! What are they made of, platinum? I paid £80.37 for the rear discs and £27.06 for the pads and they are Brembo so there is a hell of a mark up from Nissan.

Pretty much all dealers do this :( and it has gone a bit crazy - even a couple of years ago that would have probably been a £300 quote max. I used to use my local Nissan dealer for most stuff on my Nissan vehicles as they weren't too bad price wise, and will usually discount where they can for me as I'm regularly in there, but recently they've just gone up and up to the point I'm probably going to be more often taking them to the independent garage we use for everything else.
 
Cornwall and back from Leeds last week, 370 miles each way. Totally painless experience of charging. Left fully charged, stopped at Gloucester (my god, the sausage rolls are amazing, but eye watering prices! :D) and stuck it on a Tesla supercharger, added 40kwh @102kW in 24 mins, stopped again at a Tesla place in Exeter, started charging and rookie error, realised I'd picked one of the older Tesla chargers, another 41kwh @ 93kW in 26 mins. That gave me enough charge to bounce round Cornwall for the week. Then charged to 80% at an Osprey charger near Padstow (again eye watering prices as it was a posh garden centre, £14.50 for a full english!.....) 59kwh @ 58kW just over an hour. Stopped at Taunton and Birmingham on the way back to top up to 80% at each, another rookie error when stopping at Birmingham as just jumped on the first charger i could see which only gave 48kW, there were loads of Tesla only chargers there, only when driving out did i see a whole load of AppleGreen chargers newly installed!

Lesson learnt, make sure you look for the faster chargers! :D

Very disappointed in my efficiency though. I managed 3mi/kwh for the main trips, that's totally destroyed my usual average of 2.3/2.4 and made me look like some kind of environmentalist...... :D :D
 
No open to all Tesla sites near you? No need to dox yourself, but what is your closest major town?

I can't remember the brand name so its not all that helpful, but there are others now popping up with similar proposition to the open to all tesla sites, similar costs & speed, definitely getting better. Still easy to get caught out paying 80p/kw on slow chargers from time to time though.

I did also a year or so ago get into a small back/forth with a tesla driver, all the chargers were full at a tesla charger spot so he came over and told me I'd have to move my polestar for him to charge, that was a fun convo :D fortunately the only instance of this I've had mind in 2 years of EVs albeit I don't charge publicly all that often.
 
So we took the plunge at the weekend & purchased a Citroen E-C4, 4 years old with 37k on the clock. Couldn't justify the Frontera mentioned previously as it was a bit too sparse, the C4 drives quite nice.

Currently granny charging at 2kwh until we can get a charger in about 10 days, I did take it out yesterday & experiment with public charging & my first impressions are it's going to be an utter nightmare. First place I went to on zap maps were all offline as the connectors had been cut off, second place was just powered down, next I tried a 7kw Charger in Tesco & that took about half an hour to add 8 miles. I drove 16 miles away at this point to an Eon 100kw charger which thankfully was online as I ended up with 8 miles range left. Popped into the Tesco across the street & came back out to 68 miles range, I can see public charging being an utter pain in the arse.
Pretty terrible form by the dealer giving you 10% charge to start off with haha
 
So we took the plunge at the weekend & purchased a Citroen E-C4, 4 years old with 37k on the clock. Couldn't justify the Frontera mentioned previously as it was a bit too sparse, the C4 drives quite nice.

Currently granny charging at 2kwh until we can get a charger in about 10 days, I did take it out yesterday & experiment with public charging & my first impressions are it's going to be an utter nightmare. First place I went to on zap maps were all offline as the connectors had been cut off, second place was just powered down, next I tried a 7kw Charger in Tesco & that took about half an hour to add 8 miles. I drove 16 miles away at this point to an Eon 100kw charger which thankfully was online as I ended up with 8 miles range left. Popped into the Tesco across the street & came back out to 68 miles range, I can see public charging being an utter pain in the arse.
that sounds like an awful experience enough to put anyone off. FWIW whilst my experience has not been perfect it's been nothing like that bad ever over my 3 years. albeit I don't use public chargers often I do always keep an eye out for them.
what it is though is expensive unless you can get to a Tesla charge point.
I added 50kwh last week whilst on hols and it cost me almost double what petrol would have cost.
but that said it was at the seaside and still cost less than icecreams, fish and chips and the fairground for my lad
 
Very disappointed in my efficiency though. I managed 3mi/kwh for the main trips, that's totally destroyed my usual average of 2.3/2.4 and made me look like some kind of environmentalist...... :D :D

2.3 that’s impressive I really have to drive mine hard to get down to them figures. :D
 
So we took the plunge at the weekend & purchased a Citroen E-C4, 4 years old with 37k on the clock. Couldn't justify the Frontera mentioned previously as it was a bit too sparse, the C4 drives quite nice.

Currently granny charging at 2kwh until we can get a charger in about 10 days, I did take it out yesterday & experiment with public charging & my first impressions are it's going to be an utter nightmare. First place I went to on zap maps were all offline as the connectors had been cut off, second place was just powered down, next I tried a 7kw Charger in Tesco & that took about half an hour to add 8 miles. I drove 16 miles away at this point to an Eon 100kw charger which thankfully was online as I ended up with 8 miles range left. Popped into the Tesco across the street & came back out to 68 miles range, I can see public charging being an utter pain in the arse.

I use ABRP (a better route planner) the subscription version. It shows live updates of chargers that are working. Chargers in use (which confirms they are working). Useful if they fill up as you drive towards them on a long trip.

So I never go to a charger that's not working. Not all networks are in it though. Most of them.
 
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Tesla supercharger

Tesla have two different types of charger (soon to be 3) and there is a ‘nack’ to getting the best out of them. The short version is they share power so spread out across the site.

The long version is:

V2 superchargers and they can be identified easily, they have 2 plugs on very short cables (CCS and Tesla only type 2). They are labeled 1A, 1B, 2a, 2B etc.

These are 140kw 400V dual bay chargers meaning the power is shared between A and B. If there is a car plugged into A and B, the most you’ll get is about 70kw, single car will get the full 140kw. These are pretty long in the tooth these days.

V3 superchargers have a single CCS plug. There are 2 stall designs one similar to the V2 but has one CCS plug on a short cable. The other is newer universal design with a long cable and a card payment terminal built into it.

These are up to 250kw 400V but the power cabinet is usually only rated for up to 400kw and services 4 bays labeled A-D. The power cabinets can share power and shunt it so any stall in theory but it’s not always implemented or working so as a general rule, spread out across the site.

If the site is full, you’ll get ~100kw because of the overall power limit for the site. That’s not abnormal for most providers.

If you have an 800V car, you’ll not get decent speeds off these and is limited by the cars internal conversion to 800v process.

The soon to be released V4 supercharger (non in the U.K. yet) will be 500kw 800V. The ‘fun’ part is they will re-use the universal stall design from V3. A single power cabinet will now serve up to 8 stalls so the only way to tell it’s the new 800V one by looking is they will be labeled A-H or it might saw 500kw on it somewhere.
 
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I use ABRP (a better route planner) the subscription version. It shows live updates of chargers that are working. Chargers in use (which confirms they are working). Useful if they fill up as you drive towards them on a long trip.

So I never go to a charger that's not working. Nit all networks are in it though. Most of them.
I'd sign up for the electroverse app, it's free and you can get discounts on charging done through it.
 
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Last one I used was ionity and it charged at over 230kw and got me from just under %20 to almost full in the time I had a pee and bought a sausage roll. The car fans and AC was running like mad was one hell of a noise.
 
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The soon to be released V4 supercharger (non in the U.K. yet) will be 500kw 800V. The ‘fun’ part is they will re-use the universal stall design from V3.
I'm not a Tesla guy but I thought v4 (stalls not cabinets) are already out... and really it's v3 dressed as v4 that's out there already not them reusing the v3 stall design
 
The V1-4 refers to the capability of the cabinet.

Some people like to apply it to the stall as well but it doesn’t impact the chargers capabilities and will create a lot of confusion when the actual v4 chargers roll out.

In reality a Tesla stall is just a box that holds the cable, has some safety devices, does the liquid cooling and a payment terminal. The actual charging equipment is in the cabinet.

There have been other versions of the stalls we have not got in the U.K. also.

They did an ‘urban’ stall for the V2 charger with power sharing disabled so was limited to 70kw.

There is also a version of the ‘Tesla only’ stall for the V3 charger with a ‘magic dock’ which combines an NACS and CCS connector into one cable to enable open to all charging.

We didn’t get any V1’s in the U.K.
 
Got an option to change from a 26 plate Tesla Model 3 to a 64 plate i4 eDrive40 Sport.

I don't have a home charger, and have been using the Tesla superchargers which I have liked but understand I can use them with the BMW?
I like the Tesla, my first EV, but the seats aren't that comfy. I do a fair bit of motorway cruising.
I used to have a 22 plate 320i Tourer Msport before the Tesla and loved it.

What would people do? It's a company car, so costs are pretty immaterial. In my head, the BMW is a better car but I've never driven one and won't be able to drive it unless I take it. Any wise words?
 
Got an option to change from a 26 plate Tesla Model 3 to a 64 plate i4 eDrive40 Sport.

I don't have a home charger, and have been using the Tesla superchargers which I have liked but understand I can use them with the BMW?
I like the Tesla, my first EV, but the seats aren't that comfy. I do a fair bit of motorway cruising.
I used to have a 22 plate 320i Tourer Msport before the Tesla and loved it.

What would people do? It's a company car, so costs are pretty immaterial. In my head, the BMW is a better car but I've never driven one and won't be able to drive it unless I take it. Any wise words?
Check the Tesla site is open to non-Tesla then go for it
 
keep in mind the charging costs are higher for none Tesla cars unless you pay a subscription.
personally if I couldn't charge at home and was reliant on public charging I would only consider a Tesla if I wanted an EV

edit .. or do you mean charging costs are immaterial rather than the cost of the car? if so fill your boots it doesn't matter if you ain't paying.
 
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