EV general discussion

[MrRockliffe]

I think it worked out about £150 more for the hypervolt compared to the ohme so happy to pay that to be honest.

Sorry I meant relative to other chargers - the Ohme & Hypervolt are both in the “expensive popular chargers” bracket


There are others available which are cheaper and do the same thing

 

[joelk2]

Sorry I meant relative to other chargers - the Ohme & Hypervolt are both in the “expensive popular chargers” bracket


There are others available which are cheaper and do the same thing

Ahh ok.

Waevcharge keep coming up on social media adverts. Prices seem pretty good but I was wondering whether going with a more reputable brand might be worth the small uplift in cost

 

[MrRockliffe]

Ahh ok.

Waevcharge keep coming up on social media adverts. Prices seem pretty good but I was wondering whether going with a more reputable brand might be worth the small uplift in cost

I’d pick a brand that do more than EV chargers.

It indicates they already know how to produce quality electrical items, and are more likely to have a proper customer service team in place.


It also shows they have other revenue streams, and may be less likely to switch to a subscription model to keep the money rolling in.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

I’ve had a hypervolt V2 for about 4 years.

It charges the car when it’s told to, can’t really complain about that.

It’s one of the most popular chargers in the country although it’s a crowded market these days.

 

[TNA]

Very argumentative today aren't we

Today? Everyday...

 

[Maundie]

We had a Pod Solo 3 installed in October and it's been absolutely fine, set it to charge at 12-6am every night and the car is set to charge to 80% charge immediately and that's more than fine for us, we didn't really have a choice of charger as BMW arranged it all when we ordered the iX1 but we did get a choice of tethered or un-tethered.

 

[gailjon]

We had our Ohme Pro fitted free of charge when I bought a Q4 and it has been flawless for over three years now. Our Andersen A2 while it looks good as it hides the cables is less user friendly in terms of the app support and our one doesn't support IOG but the new version do.

 

[MrRockliffe]

Moving house this month, and frustratingly I can't take my tariff with me - a shame as it's locked in at good pricing.



Is EON still the best for EV tariffs atm?

 

[tom_e]

Moving house this month, and frustratingly I can't take my tariff with me - a shame as it's locked in at good pricing.



Is EON still the best for EV tariffs atm?

EON or EDF seem to be winners at the minute. We've just switched to EDF, they've currently got a £75 referral bonus as well which is a nice sweetener

 

[tom_e]

Just back from holiday so I've sorted the EDF smart charging now I could onboard the charger, clear as day that nevermind how much octopus deny it that they throttle hypervolts.

Never got above 6.2kw on octopus, straight to 7 with EDF.

 

[ICDP]

Be aware that some chargers may report what they are sending, not what the car is getting after losses.

 

[tom_e]

Be aware that some chargers may report what they are sending, not what the car is getting after losses.

That's the reading straight from the Hypervolt app you can see it's allowing higher amps as well, octopus was capped at 28 reading 29-30 so far on EDF

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Does it actually matter if your car charges by the time you asked it to?

Yes I know octopus is bringing in a 6 hour cap but if you need the full 44kwh, I’m not seeing any clear evidence they would fail to deliver that.

if you only need 30kwh, I’m sure the system will slow the charge rate down if there is an advantage to doing so like rebates from the grid.

That said EDF and EON currently offer better rates.

 

[Grim5]

I've been wondering for ages why I can't find a Suzuki EV when their cheap cars are quite popular in certain markets

Today I understand why, and it shows why the Japanese manufacturers have been slow on EV adoption. Suzuki is now selling an EV Vitara SUV but the problem is that the asking price is nearly double that of last year's turbo charged petrol model and it's nearly the same price as a Tesla model 3

If that's a sign of things to come I fear for the longevity of Japanese car makers

 

[shroomz]

Funnily enough there's a HMW video that just came out on a similar topic. Couple of swearies but widely spaced out so mostly family friendly.

It's all cars though other than Chinese models that have completely ballooned in price. The Model Y I bought a couple of weeks ago I could only afford because their value has collapsed and I can put it through the business with all the advantages that brings (for now anyway). If I was buying retail I can't see how I could justify more than i paid when buying a house.

It's like all OEMS have decided to buy into that aspirational finance yourself to the max brand image crowd... But been misled by consultant yes men that everyone wants to be that, rather than the average person wants to not think about their car too much and wants it affordable.

 

[Journey]

The Model Y I bought a couple of weeks ago I could only afford because their value has collapsed and I can put it through the business with all the advantages that brings (for now anyway).

The value I think is the incorrect term, they have depreciated from the listed MSRP vs the advertised cost new - but then again how old is the vehicle and has it lost more than any comparable vehicle in that time frame/condition etc.

If I was buying retail I can't see how I could justify more than i paid when buying a house.

Cheap house? Or you bought in in the 70's or 80's?

It's like all OEMS have decided to buy into that aspirational finance yourself to the max brand image crowd... But been misled by consultant yes men that everyone wants to be that, rather than the average person wants to not think about their car too much and wants it affordable.

'Buy' seems to be a term used for loaned financed items these days, and savvy people minimise costs on things they want/need, a great deal of the time the lowest way to own something isn't owning it outright, a car is a tool that become used an worn, and the result is loss of value as you put it. Affordability is correct, and how do you determine what is affordable to you as the individual in your current circumstances when committing at the time.

 

[lordrobs]

I'm not disputing the fact that it is, but it makes no logical sense for it to be cheaper to finance a depreciating asset than it is to buy it cash.

That video kind of summed up where I am with cars now and it is the same situation as phones. In times gone by you could buy a car that was 5 years newer or a phone that was 2 years newer and there would be a fundamental shift in the spec, features performance, quality or design. Now it is just an incremental evolution. Why replace a functional thing for basically the same thing for more cash?

 

[tom_e]

Nope but

Does it actually matter if your car charges by the time you asked it to?

Yes I know octopus is bringing in a 6 hour cap but if you need the full 44kwh, I’m not seeing any clear evidence they would fail to deliver that.

if you only need 30kwh, I’m sure the system will slow the charge rate down if there is an advantage to doing so like rebates from the grid.

That said EDF and EON currently offer better rates.

Does it matter, not really. Is it strange that octopus don't seem to know what the system they designed and sell to other companies is doing, yes.

 

[Journey]

I'm not disputing the fact that it is, but it makes no logical sense for it to be cheaper to finance a depreciating asset than it is to buy it cash.

The economics of that are complicated, but if you were selling something in volume then you will secure a deal with someone who takes those items at a lesser cost as they are buying in volume (or it could be the manufacturer themselves), leveraged via high volume money borrowing, the idea is then to pay back that loan buy using the assets you/they have bought, by offering them at an amount where the buyer(s)/user(s) is paying back the money at a higher rate than it is adding interest over that period. You then sell the assets at the end of the period and the loss on the purchased cost is lower than the depreciation and money generate from lonaing out the asset, the middle bit is the profit.

You as an individual will never secure as deal that is lower priced than a company buying in volume, and you also cannot borrow money at a cheaper cost or suffer the opportunity cost burden when dumping money into a deprecating asset.

In times gone by you could buy a car that was 5 years newer or a phone that was 2 years newer and there would be a fundamental shift in the spec, features performance, quality or design. Now it is just an incremental evolution. Why replace a functional thing for basically the same thing for more cash?

Ask the idiots people the buy new iPhones every year. Cars are heading that way, even more so now they will have less need for maintenance over very large mileages, and they come with a great deal of features that just didn't exist in the recent past.

 

[cuke2u]

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