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This was (fairly) interesting GLC vs iX3 if you are looking at both, regardless of the Merc grill. They picked the GLC as the winner even though the car of the year was the iX3, was hard fought and I think for some it would come down to the badge they prefer (or looks obvs), even though in their review the Merc was cheaper but they couldn't find a good deal if they had Martin Lewis in the studio with them.

 
@Penfold101 makes your EQE look super efficient in comparison :cry:

My EQE is pretty good at the moment - nudging 4 mpkwh on the daily commute. Trip to Scotland in July will be an interesting test!

EQC was garbage though :D

To be fair EQE is reasonably efficient for its size and weight, especially if you don't have the 20"s but put the 18" on and quite a decent increase. Don't get me wrong it's no wind knife, but that one is unique.

Don’t think you can even put 18’s on it - I think 19 was the smallest from the factory and mine has 20’s.

Not worth the cost of getting them for any imperceptible improvement you might get in efficiency.
 
My EQE is pretty good at the moment - nudging 4 mpkwh on the daily commute. Trip to Scotland in July will be an interesting test!

EQC was garbage though :D



Don’t think you can even put 18’s on it - I think 19 was the smallest from the factory and mine has 20’s.

Not worth the cost of getting them for any imperceptible improvement you might get in efficiency.

Sorry, yeah meant 19" I keep making that mistake. As for cost getting them I certainly wouldn't buy them after market, but in terms of range difference size does have a significant impact.

If you take the same route we took to Scotland (West Coast), via the Lake District, its obviously a slower router but lots of hills to sap energy, but the efficiency isn't too bad, also too many beautiful views and places to stop so, in my experience you end up going slower anyhow.
 
This was (fairly) interesting GLC vs iX3 if you are looking at both, regardless of the Merc grill. They picked the GLC as the winner even though the car of the year was the iX3, was hard fought and I think for some it would come down to the badge they prefer (or looks obvs), even though in their review the Merc was cheaper but they couldn't find a good deal if they had Martin Lewis in the studio with them.

Doing a range test, then using the iX3 on 22" wheels and then complaining about the ride quality is pretty wild though.
 
Sorry, yeah meant 19" I keep making that mistake. As for cost getting them I certainly wouldn't buy them after market, but in terms of range difference size does have a significant impact.

If you take the same route we took to Scotland (West Coast), via the Lake District, its obviously a slower router but lots of hills to sap energy, but the efficiency isn't too bad, also too many beautiful views and places to stop so, in my experience you end up going slower anyhow.

Cheltenham to Prestwick, 70mph all the way. 345 miles so I won’t get there without charging, but I won’t be far off I think! Weather and traffic depending (plus a 20 miles detour to see the parents) I should get into Scotland fairly easily then look around Lockerbie area.
 
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Jesus the numbers start to look so ridiculous, that Hummer EV weights nearly 5 tons and does 0-60mph in 3.5 seconds... big 200kWh battery but only 280 mile range
 
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Took the EV to the Netherlands for a week, carrying our bikes, then cycled around before driving back yesterday. It was our first proper trip away in an EV and I thought I'd share the experience here.

We left home in Bristol with 100% charge. We have a home charge point. The OH wanted a wee at Reading services and I took the opportunity for a quick 10 min blast on a public charger there. Our Electroverse card worked fine.

The plan was to charge up after the channel tunnel in Calais for a cheaper rate, but there were delays at the Folkestone end when we arrived and I figured that while we were waiting we might as well charge the car there, rather than another wait on the other side.

The Electroverse app was showing 1 free charge point that was operational. All the others were taken, but that was understandable as it was heaving due to the delays. A Merc parked in a normal space next to the charging bays had pulled round a charge cable serving the spaces on the opposite side to charge their Merc. Next to the Merc was a Nissan van who was using their own cable hooked up to the same machine via a socket under a little flap. I took the remaining space with a charging machine and cable free. The Electroverse app worked fine again and we left the car charging and went for a walk. About 30m away I turned to get my bearings for when we returned and saw a VW ID pull up in the remaining space, but of course there was no charger available because of the Merc. The ID driver mistook the Nissan van cable plugged into the machine for the machine's charging cable, unplugged it from the machine and tried to plug it into their own car! I felt sorry for the Nissan driver because I doubt charging resumed after the disconnection, but I'm a newbie so might be wrong about that.

Anyway, we left Folkestone via the tunnel with 100% and about halfway across Belgium did a 30 min blast on a public charger at a motorway services.

We arrived at Veenendaal in the Netherlands on 43%, parked in a multistorey, removed the bikes and panniers and spent 6 days cycling. If anyone is interested, we stayed at B&Bs and did a loop: Doesburg, Goor, Hardenburg, Zwolle, Apeldoor and back to Veenendaal. The OH checked in on the car once or twice via her car app and during the week the battery did drop from 43% to 42%. I expected some loss because the car periodically uses a bit of the big battery to top up the little 12v battery.

Back at the multistorey, we loaded up the bikes and the plan was to get checked into our final B&B and go out for a meal and worry about charging the next morning. But, after cycling in 37c on the hottest ever June day in Holland, and having just drank the last of our sun-warmed water, I wanted an ice cold Coke and so we drove to a nearby Mcdonalds that we had rode past on the way into town. The Electroverse app was showing a rank of chargers there with 6/6 available and so I hooked up the car and we went in for a cold drink. The machines said 75kw chargers, not super fast but our car charges at 74kw max anyway so I figured it would be fine. Once seated, the app was showing a charge speed of 15kwh and was not speeding up. I then noticed in the opposite corner of the car park another charging machine, just room for two cars but this machine was saying 250kw. Both were free and this machine was also showing on the Electroverse app. So I went out and moved the car to the faster charge points. As I walked out a BMW parked up and connected. When I drove over, the remaining space was still free so I was able to connect. The charging speed went straight up to 50kwh and over the course of another Coke went up to 74kwh. We left for our final nearby B&B with 80% charge, plenty to start the drive home the next day.

So for the drive home we did a couple of hundred miles before pulling in at a services at about 30%. There were x2 75kwh machines and x6 250kwh machines. I opted for the faster machines even though I think they were dearer. After about 25 mins and a coffee we were up to 80% and this was plenty to get us to Calais. At Calais I had bookmarked a chargepoint at Lidl which was the cheapest in town, but neither of these were working, even though it did not say so on the Electroverse app. So we went to the next closest chargers in Carrfour, which I think were 300kwh, and after a wander round the store we arrived at the channel tunnel in Calais on 98% charge.

More delays at the tunnel. All the charge points were rammed with the same jostling for position as the Folkestone side and I was glad we'd charged beforehand. It was still boiling outside so the air con took us to 94% by the time we boarded the tunnel train.

After some experience of doing a few miles in an EV and using public charging I had confidence in knowing that the 200 miles from Folkestone to home would be no bother starting at 94%. I didn't even bother plugging into a charger for a quick blast at the services when we stopped for a wee. We got home with 20% charge left.

So after our first proper trip away in an EV I've no problems with using this type of car for long journeys and charging was ok. Not nearly as straightforward as a petrol pump, but we got enough power to get where we needed to go.

Some charge points were very busy and some machines did not charge anywhere near their stated speed.

Another thing I found was that some chargers were labelled up better than others. Quite often each machine was labelled with a number but then each cable had its own code, so I had to identify which working charger was where by looking at the code which was usually in tiny writing and not immediately obvious. If there are say 8 physical cables, they should each be labelled up 1 to 8 rather than just the machines being labelled up.

I also noticed some people take ages to get set up. I observed one guy literally get in and out of his car 8 times while setting up his car at a machine to charge. I counted. Others just pull up, plug in and walk off. I'm somewhere between the two at the moment :)
 
Took the EV to the Netherlands for a week, carrying our bikes, then cycled around before driving back yesterday. It was our first proper trip away in an EV and I thought I'd share the experience here.
Nice write up, sounds like an enjoyable holiday. No hills in sight while cycling. :D
 
@bainbridge what was the total distance covered and the total damage to the wallet? did it work out cheaper than a comparable petrol car?
I get the question but it makes more sense to ask over the course of a year including the trip what the overall cost was, rather than picking out the most expensive trip and checking the cost per mile for that specifically.

Glad you had no issues though @bainbridge
 
I was in the land of the free last week, and had a number of rides in a colleagues Tesla Model Y (previous gen), including a two hour lift to the airport.

I was pretty impressed actually! The ride was nowhere as bad as previous Tesla experiences (probably poorly maintained taxis). It pretty much met my expectations of the interior quality, it was alright. Nothing special, and very minimal. But I'm not someone bothered by premium materials, etc As long as it doesn't fall apart.

The driving experience was great (as a passenger), and I was pretty blown away by the full self driving mode too! It handled A roads, roundabouts, car parks effortlessly, and even on the freeway, made it's own mind up about overtaking people and keeping up with general traffic. It's a gimmick of course, and like cruise control, for me, something I very rarely ever use, but it was fun and impressive.

I still have 'no button' phobia, and as Tesla really has no buttons (apart from the steering wheel ones), not sure how I'd cope, or if you'd miss them.

Food for thought if we ever get around so replacing one of our cars.
 
I had the ‘pleasure’ of being back in an ICE car for a week while I was in Spain.

I had a Cupra Terramar hybrid and the car itself was fine* but I really don’t miss driving ICE cars at all.

The general lack of smoothness in the drivetrain and the sound of a small engine were not additive to the driving experience.

*Im not sure if it was a feature of this particular rental car or the model as a whole but the brakes were very grabby at low speeds. Coming off auto hold was very jerky to the point I mainly just turned it off.

**The driver ‘safety’ aids were mainly just obnoxious rather than useful, particularly the speed warning system which was just wrong a lot of the time.
 
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Journey said:
I know someone else who was about to do this, then I pointed them in the direction of the 74/25 plate used Mazda MX30's for a shade over £10k, they actually said they preferred the Spring from somethings, but the Mazda won out in the end due to design/style, shame it missed V2L and weighs almost twice as much! :)

The MX30 also gets a 5 star NCAP rating, the Dacia Spring gets a pitiful 1 star. I wouldn't fancy getting caught up in an accident in one. And I know the Spring's score was hamstrung by the lack of electronic 'aids', but it still only scored ~45% in the crash tests.
 
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I had the ‘pleasure’ of being back in an ICE car for a week while I was in Spain.

I had a Cupra Terramar hybrid and the car itself was fine* but I really don’t miss driving ICE cars at all.

The general lack of smoothness in the drivetrain and the sound of a small engine were not additive to the driving experience.

*Im not sure if it was a feature of this particular rental car or the model as a whole but the brakes were very grabby at low speeds. Coming off auto hold was very jerky to the point I mainly just turned it off.

**The driver ‘safety’ aids were mainly just obnoxious rather than useful, particularly the speed warning system which was just wrong a lot of the time.
I regularly get to drive a 2017 1.0l fiesta and I still very much enjoy driving it. I rather think it was the car you were driving.
 
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