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TheVoice said:
It is, so why are you bringing biofuels into it?
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Because he/she/they think biofuels are the future but nothing points to this in reality at this point in time. Or that EV production and use still produces pollution. Ignoring that it is still significantly less polluting than fossil fuel use.

So instead of going to EVs to reduce carbon emissions, they want to put all hope in biofuels coming good someday soon. Biofuels can of course help, but currently (or indeed anytime soon) cannot replace fossil fuels completely.

Let ignore that EV adoption to replace most fossil fuel vehicle use is still our best currently viable option.

Perfection is the enemy of good. As the saying goes.
 
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stuman said:
Why not?
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Strip away all the nonsense and it boils down to 1 thing. Efficiency. Engines are just not efficient. Not only that, but they're vastly more complicated. So why settle for extreme complication that has terrible efficiency? It just doesn't make sense.
Electric motors on the other hand do over 90% efficiency.
 
jonnylaris said:
  • Fast Depreciation
  • High Purchase Price
  • Long Charging Times
  • Public Infrastructure Issues
  • Range Anxiety
  • Heavy Weight
  • Electrical Niggles
  • Battery Mining
  • Environmental Concerns
  • Manufacturing Emissions

Want me to go on? :p
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I mean it is a better anti EV argument than one I had to endure the other week. They come up a lot in conversations with customers because of the business we are in.

"What do you think about electric vehicles, really."
Yeah, I think they are great and only getting better. Hopefully my next company car will be one.
"Yeah, but what about the batteries?"
What, you mean in terms of them degrading?
"No. The radio waves."
Er... what radio waves?
"It's a battery, yeah. So it is generating electricity, yeah. So it has to be giving off radio waves."
Umm... I mean technically it is storing electricity not generating it.
"Yeah but it is still electricity, yeah. So it's giving off radio waves. Would you be happy sitting on a battery giving off radio waves? Would you be happy SITTING YOUR CHILD on a battery giving off radio waves?"
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Oh, sorry my phone is buzzing in my pocket I think that must be the office trying to get in touch.
 
lordrobs said:
I mean it is a better anti EV argument than one I had to endure the other week. They come up a lot in conversations with customers because of the business we are in.

"What do you think about electric vehicles, really."
Yeah, I think they are great and only getting better. Hopefully my next company car will be one.
"Yeah, but what about the batteries?"
What, you mean in terms of them degrading?
"No. The radio waves."
Er... what radio waves?
"It's a battery, yeah. So it is generating electricity, yeah. So it has to be giving off radio waves."
Umm... I mean technically it is storing electricity not generating it.
"Yeah but it is still electricity, yeah. So it's giving off radio waves. Would you be happy sitting on a battery giving off radio waves? Would you be happy SITTING YOUR CHILD on a battery giving off radio waves?"
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Oh, sorry my phone is buzzing in my pocket I think that must be the office trying to get in touch.
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Is that a phone in your pocket sir/madam?

Hold it next to your ear do you?

And your children have one?

I think the 5G masts might be having an effect after all.
 
To get back on topic, I'm considering a Renault 5.

I think they look great, I've sat in a couple and found them to be extremely comfortable, but I haven't yet had a test drive.

Anyone have one, and able to provide thoughts?
 
jonnylaris said:
  • Fast Depreciation
  • High Purchase Price
  • Long Charging Times
  • Public Infrastructure Issues
  • Range Anxiety
  • Heavy Weight
  • Electrical Niggles
  • Battery Mining
  • Environmental Concerns
  • Manufacturing Emissions

Want me to go on? :p
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You are correct on every single point. Carry on not buying an EV and just keep buying ICE cars and filling it with Bio fuels? I assume you are never, ever, ever, going to buy an EV due to how you feel as well, as there's nothing worse than hypocrite.

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jonnylaris said:
  • Fast Depreciation
  • High Purchase Price
  • Long Charging Times
  • Public Infrastructure Issues
  • Range Anxiety
  • Heavy Weight
  • Electrical Niggles
  • Battery Mining
  • Environmental Concerns
  • Manufacturing Emissions

Want me to go on? :p
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[*]Fast Depreciation

Only a problem if buying new….

[*]High Purchase Price

See point 1

[*]Long Charging Times

Only if you stare at it whilst it’s charging like if you were buying fuel.

In comparison, getting fuel from a petrol station can seem like an age in comparison to overnight charging….

[*]Public Infrastructure Issues

Not really? I’ve not been anywhere where I’ve not found a good charger. In fact, if it’s not already a thing I’d expect very soon for there to be more fast chargers than petrol stations….

[*]Range Anxiety

That’s a you problem. Yes you need to be range aware and think about your trips, but once you are used to route planning there really isn’t anything to it. Get one, you’ll see…
[*]Heavy Weight

Only a bit heavier than all other fat over engineered modern cars.

[*]Electrical Niggles

Is there a statistic vs petrol cars? Oh yes, they are far more reliable.

[*]Battery Mining

Open tar pits, fracking, exploitive oil fueled regimes?

[*]Environmental Concerns

They are not the holy grail but better than fossil cars and better is better.

[*]Manufacturing Emissions

See above.
 
pastymuncher said:
Say what you like about Nissan but Dicksons of Inverness has been brilliant. When I bought my Leaf there was no hard sell, the sales guy showed us around the car and explained how everything worked (first ever EV experience) then gave me the keys and said go for a drive. After we had bought it they gave me a phone call after two weeks and again after a month to make sure everything was good. When I take it in for a "service" there are comfy chairs and tables in the customer waiting area, that days papers and free tea/coffee/chocolate from a machine and cold bottles of water and fizzy drinks in a fridge. Rather than call you over to the desk they come and sit down with you when the service is completed to hand over the keys and paperwork. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another car from them although I don't like any of Nissans current line up but they do sell Kia, MG, Suzuki and KGM as well. Didn't KGM used to be Ssanyong because I am pretty sure the Rexton and Musson used to be Ssanyong?
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Why I've tended to gravitate towards Nissan in recent years, though with the increased pressure from Chinese brands, etc. the offering seems to be dropping off a bit lately additionally they are often having to now offer brands like Jaecoo as well.

But I'm really starting to go off Nissan themselves lately - there are several outstanding issues on some of their now out of production models which they've basically washed their hands of and/or prematurely cut production of crucial parts leaving owners potentially high and dry... though they aren't alone in that in the car industry these days :( there really needs to be some regulation.

Going straight from some of the other big name authorised/main dealers to Nissan was quite a contrast in terms of the customer service experience - if the Nissan places I use say they will call you back 9 times out of 10 they do, for most other brands it is like 3 times in 10 at the most and endless chasing them up to get anywhere.
 
jonnylaris said:
  • Fast Depreciation- so are most ice vehicles
  • High Purchase Price - but then Chinese evs get slated for undercutting the west.
  • Long Charging Times - byd and catl are now under 5 minutes
  • Public Infrastructure Issues - 121,000 connectors and counting
  • Range Anxiety - not with the current charging infrastructure
  • Heavy Weight - range rover?
  • Electrical Niggles - range rover again.
  • Battery Mining - same materials used in your phone?
  • Environmental Concerns - never seen the news regarding exxon valdez or piper alpa or deep water horizon rig?
  • Manufacturing Emissions- once an ev is manufactured the emissions are minimal compared to ice. Many studies have proved this.

Want me to go on? :p
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Regarding biofuels, have a read of this. https://ourworldindata.org/biofuel-land-solar-electric-vehicles.
Tldr: replace land used for biofuels to solar and they could power an instant switch to worldwide use of evs. 23x more energy than is currently produced by biofuels.
 
jonnylaris said:
  • Fast Depreciation
  • High Purchase Price
  • Long Charging Times
  • Public Infrastructure Issues
  • Range Anxiety
  • Heavy Weight
  • Electrical Niggles
  • Battery Mining
  • Environmental Concerns
  • Manufacturing Emissions

Want me to go on? :p
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I thought my bingo card was gonna be filled in 1 post...... but no mention of battery depredation meaning the cars are fit for the bin after 18 months.

Damn..... So close! :D

there are some genuine issues which would hamper the transition from ICE to EV for some people but the quoted post is right out of the Clarkson handbook of a decade ago.
 
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