Even Augustus Gloop ain't safe (Dahl being censored)

potatolord said:
Personally, I think the edits changes the message considerably.

It's gone from Wonka taking them, to them agreeing to come. It changes this from it being involuntary to voluntary.

I'm probably over-analysing this...
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You aren't.

As I posted previously, Willy Wonka isn't actually a particularly nice character, despite how he appears on the surface. Just look at the river section for example, or how callous he is about what happens to the children. Effectively enslaving his workers matches the rest of his character very well, but these edits remove those nuances.
 
Oddball aka Diddums said:
Which end is correct though?

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Big end obviously, more room for soldiers
 
Haggisman said:
You aren't.

As I posted previously, Willy Wonka isn't actually a particularly nice character, despite how he appears on the surface. Just look at the river section for example, or how callous he is about what happens to the children. Effectively enslaving his workers matches the rest of his character very well, but these edits remove those nuances.
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Which correlates with my point earlier that the language itself is important.
 
potatolord said:
Personally, I think the edits changes the message considerably.

It's gone from Wonka taking them, to them agreeing to come. It changes this from it being involuntary to voluntary.
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Yes, that's the point.

So either Wonka is gaslighting us about how he got them (which is quite amusing to imagine) or they're butchering his character a bit, he's supposed to be quite a nasty, callous individual, just look at how the various golden ticket winning kids are treated.
 
potatolord said:
It's gone from Wonka taking them, to them agreeing to come. It changes this from it being involuntary to voluntary.
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the basis of coercive control, they didn't have a choice - maybe the new edits are more insidious
the edits maybe making it more difficult for children to spot wonkas underlying failures.

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maybe need a sanctioned Wonker sequel - how he liberated oompa's, granted citizenship, share ownership/IPO, productivity boomed, so redemption for owners ( a la Cadbury's ) ,
unlike Oliver Twist, who just escapes poverty himself.
 
These books have always been wildly popular precisely because they appeal to children. Dahl's vocabulary was a big part of that appeal. There's never been any indication that they require 'updating' for a modern audience.

This push to 'fix' the books by changing their vocabulary has come entirely from adults, not children. Kids already love the vocab, and always will.

The older editions will become collectibles. I have no doubt of that. Time to start buying.

Haggisman said:
You aren't.

As I posted previously, Willy Wonka isn't actually a particularly nice character, despite how he appears on the surface. Just look at the river section for example, or how callous he is about what happens to the children. Effectively enslaving his workers matches the rest of his character very well, but these edits remove those nuances.
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Exactly. Wonka was never presented as a hero or an admirable figure. He was presented as an eccentric, unpredictable, potentially dangerous and morally ambiguous character with a persistent, malevolent dark side that manifested in subtle but unsettling ways.
 
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CaptainRAVE said:
Oh ffs. What’s wrong with ‘as white as a sheet’. My sheets are white. What a pathetic society we’ve changed into.
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As has been mentioned a few times in this thread, "society" hasn't asked for these changes.

The legal owner of the original copyright / book has made these changes, not society.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Segments of society has pressured these industries though.
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So not that different to decades ago when one of his books was rewritten to make oompah loompas orange rather than african slaves ?

Edit: out of interest was there any uproar back in the 60s when this happened or was it simply a case of no one knowing due to a lack of a centralised hub (the internet) for faux outrage ?
 
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Sensitivity readers, the consequence of enlarging universities humanties departments and no useful role for them to fill upon graduation so they get employed to bugger up more talented peoples work with the indoctrination they picked up at university.
It's a good wheeze from the grievance industries it creates jobs for otherwise unemployable activist types.

I quite like Spiked here's another story on the matter of sensitivity readers.
 
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imtoooldforthis said:
So not that different to decades ago when one of his books was rewritten to make oompah loompas orange rather than african slaves ?

Edit: out of interest was there any uproar back in the 60s when this happened or was it simply a case of no one knowing due to a lack of a centralised hub (the internet) for faux outrage ?
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The 60s?

Sexual Offences Act 1967​

In 1967 the Sexual Offences Act was passed which decriminalised private homosexual acts between men aged over 21, while at the same time imposing heavier penalties on street offences.

The law was not changed for Scotland until 1980, or for Northern Ireland until 1982.
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It's a plot by Puffin to shift more books due to poor sales. Well played Puffin, well played.

Joking aside the collection on Amazon has already gone up £5.
 
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Zatoichi.uK said:
It's a plot by Puffin to shift more books due to poor sales. Well played Puffin, well played.

Joking aside the collection on Amazon has already gone up £5.
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You should get on there quick and snap them up. You may find a VHS video of bomber squadron (or what ever) with the dogs original name in as well if you hurry.

It often feels like I am sharing a forum with edgy teens sometimes.
 
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These changes just aren't good enough. Personally I think we should be burning offensive books and not showing them to children at all. We must put an end to bigotry.
 
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