** EVO TYRE TEST 2012 **

In that size there are 19 different tyres from Pirelli (event tyres). 10 are Pzero of different variants :s
 
I love the way the Dunlops did really well in all the tests but lost out due to subjective results.
 
I thought pzeros were meant to be good.
Based purely on if you look in evo supercars always have them in the reviews.
 
Simon said:
Did you find you need more steering angle to get the front to turn in though.
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Don't remember noticing any difference, and I'd expect it to be a small variation at best. The main difference between hard and soft sidewalls is in ride comfort, followed by breakaway feel.
 
Simon said:
Why the surprise? Driving isn't always about lap times, often it's about how it feels.
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Because it is down to the opinion of someone rather than facts. Subjective has no place in a factual test as opinions are only that of the person giving them. What they like may not be what I would like, I just want the data.

Subjective means naff all if the car takes 10 more feet to stop.
 
Dr Who said:
Because it is down to the opinion of someone rather than facts. Subjective has no place in a factual test as opinions are only that of the person giving them. What they like may not be what I would like, I just want the data.

Subjective means naff all if the car takes 10 more feet to stop.
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OTOH if you get decent lap times from a tyre but the car feels awful (quite a possible scenario) then would you be happy with them?
 
Meridian said:
Don't remember noticing any difference, and I'd expect it to be a small variation at best. The main difference between hard and soft sidewalls is in ride comfort, followed by breakaway feel.
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Well I noticed a big difference due to the different internal slip angles (how well the tyre resists the twist between the road and the wheel). on corners I drive many times I kept brushing the hedges or not turning enough before realising the front tyres need more steering lock to change the tread direction

I'm aware of the generic issues with sidewall stiffness and one of the reasons I went for the F1AS2 was for slightly more comfort without the vagueness of other soft tyres. Hondas seem very sensitive to tyres

IME and this review - It seems the F1AS2 improvements are still not up to the Bridgestones
 
Dr Who said:
Because it is down to the opinion of someone rather than facts. Subjective has no place in a factual test as opinions are only that of the person giving them. What they like may not be what I would like, I just want the data.

Subjective means naff all if the car takes 10 more feet to stop.
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Yeah I agree on braking distances but the subjective comments were driving on the road. Feedback is an important part of a tyre's performance, and just as important for safety. Ou don't want a tyre that feels like jelly so is all over the place brakin or has and warning when it is about the break away

The whole difficulty of tyre choice is due to it being a grey area, if it was down to just data it would be much easier to decide and wouldn't need any text, just tables.

The Evo comments agree with the above and why they took the time to add text to the tables, to tell the full story ( but with. 60/40% weighting)
 
Simon said:
Yeah I agree on braking distances but the subjective comments were driving on the road. Feedback is an important part of a tyre's performance, and just as important for safety. Ou don't want a tyre that feels like jelly so is all over the place brakin or has and warning when it is about the break away
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If it said those things fair enough, but I struggled to read the text on its side :)

In general it won't even come down to that, it will be down to a preference of how the tyre feels turning in, mid corner, on the limit, over the limit.

They will then choose which of those characteristics they like most and which tyre behaves how they like, which may be very different to others. It may mean I might like the tyre, but you might not depending on how you like your car to behave. ie some like soft turn in with progression others might like sharp turning and ultimate grip with a greater tolerance for behaviour over the limit.
 
Tells me the same, that they like its direct and connected feel but didnt like the imprecision at higher speed.

What they liked was a tyre that was less direct and responsive but had greater precision at higher speed.

So pretty much what I thought ;)
 
I've got to say, i'm sure if you get any of the top 6 tyres, you'll be very happy indeed. All are very good tyres and i imagine the performance difference between them is small. Buying tyres is not a decision that can be made by looking at tyre tests alone. Sometimes i see the Contisport 5/Assymmetric 2/PZero's coming top in everything, other times i see it coming 4th or 5th.

Therefore, when it comes to this level, driving feel is important and probably a deciding factor, as all will deliver very similar performance on paper. Bridgestones traditionally deliver very good driving feel, but they fall down in the wet. Conti's/Assymmetric's deliver slightly less feel, but are better on paper. Michelin's deliver a good feel too (apparently), last longer and are grippy, but are quite expensive (EDIT: well, they used to be more expensive! Apparently not so now!).

At the end of the day, pick a tyre in the top 6 and you won't go far wrong.
 
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