Excessive braking.....

[wassap]

I sometimes find a lone car or two in the middle lane, and I'll be going a little faster than them in the left hand lane, so I have to go across all 3 lanes to overtake them, then go back across all 3 lanes once I'm done. Pretty comical if you ask me, but sometimes I notice them go over to the left hand lane in my rear view...

You do know you can pass on the left, as long as you arent breaking the speed limit you are covered under law.

 

[therealnerd2]

You do know you can pass on the left, as long as you arent breaking the speed limit you are covered under law.

 

[FreeStream]

You do know you can pass on the left, as long as you arent breaking the speed limit you are covered under law.

You can't undertake?

Anyway, I try to leave space but I was on A30 two weeks ago and I was going along with the traffic at 80 or whatever, people in the inside lane doing 60, people going faster on the outside, I was thinking I shouldn't really sit here but I was keeping up and couldn't fathom what to do next :/ I hate motorway driving

 

[Howard]

You do know you can pass on the left, as long as you arent breaking the speed limit you are covered under law.

Yes and no - If you pull over from the middle to the left to undertake then yes, but if you're already in the left lane you're arguably "following the flow of the traffic" or however it's described in the highway code, so it's less frowned upon Still dangerous though, if the person is not observant enough to know they're lane hogging, chances are they won't be observant enough to check before they pull back over into your path, so I generally don't do it unless I know the person has a right to be in the middle lane, i.e. approaching motorway junctions

 

[wassap]

You can't undertake?

Anyway, I try to leave space but I was on A30 two weeks ago and I was going along with the traffic at 80 or whatever, people in the inside lane doing 60, people going faster on the outside, I was thinking I shouldn't really sit here but I was keeping up and couldn't fathom what to do next :/ I hate motorway driving

Is it still undertaking if your speed hasnt changed and you have stayed in the same lane?

 

[Freefaller]

You can pass on the left if your line of traffic is going faster, but performing an "undertaking" manoeuver is not allowed, i.e. changing lanes specifically to undertake. In fact in heavy traffic it's best to try and minimise your lane changes.

As for the OP couldn't agree more. It's an old phenomenon which hasn't been resovled. It's principally because people drive too close to one another IMO.

 

[Howard]

It's very annoying when you leave a nice safety gap and some twerp invades it!

I do like it when "cooperation" occurs on the motorway though, i.e. you acknowledge another driver, he acknowledges you, and you co-operate by letting him out, both moving out to overtake middle lane morons and then returning to the left lane etc, teamwork on the motorway is quite fun </sad>

 

[atpbx]

You can't undertake?

Theres no such thing, you really shouldnt be driving if you dont know the law.

 

[wassap]

It's very annoying when you leave a nice safety gap and some twerp invades it!

I do like it when "cooperation" occurs on the motorway though, i.e. you acknowledge another driver, he acknowledges you, and you co-operate by letting him out, both moving out to overtake middle lane morons and then returning to the left lane etc, teamwork on the motorway is quite fun </sad>

I dont like people who leave massive 5-6 car gaps in the outside lane,that to me is lane hogging,and you should really move back into the inside lanes unless you are overtaking or driving a BMW or an Audi

 

[Howard]

No not HUGE gaps, but if you're doing 70-80MPH, and leaving the appropriate 2 second gap it's gonna be big enough for someone to slot into

 

[Bug One]

I love the ripple effect on motorways.

Provides me with plenty of opportunity to get past the lemmings in their big metal cages.

Only thing that gets me is people driving inches away from each others bumpers. As if its going to get there any faster.

 

[div0]

Theres no such thing, you really shouldnt be driving if you dont know the law.

I'm not sure of your point.

Are you just picking him up on the common misconseption that 'undertaking' is the same as 'overtaking on the inside lane'?

In other countries (eg Ireland?), I believe 'undertaking' is where a slower vehicle actually moves over to the 'undertaking' lane (like our hard shoulder?) to allow a faster car to pass.

However in Britain that sort of manoeuvre is not allowed for by the highway code and so 'undertaking' is commonly used to describe 'overtaking on the inside' instead. Under law, this manoeuvre can be considered as careless driving:

Careless driving
The joint police/CPS charging standards cites the following examples that may
support an allegation of careless driving.
● Acts of driving caused by more than momentary inattention and where the safety
of road users is affected, such as:
● overtaking on the inside

http://www.acpo.police.uk/asp/policies/Data/rd_death_manual_v2_2004_updated_19x04x04.pdf

There are of course many situations where 'passing on the inside' is not considered to be 'overtaking on the inside', such as approaching a roundabout on a dual carriageway, or travelling in queueing traffic.

 

[chrislusty]

268

Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.

 

[Bug One]

When I asked the guy on our police training course, he said its fine to pass on the inside. Its the changing lane, then passing inside, the pulling back out that makes it an 'undertake'.

So if you're driving in the inside lane, and some moron is hogging the outside lane, you're fine to pass him on inside.

Not that any of this really applies to me any more. I pretty much class most of my riding as 'filtering' and my car couldn't overtake if I wanted to.

 

[div0]

When I asked the guy on our police training course, he said its fine to pass on the inside. Its the changing lane, then passing inside, the pulling back out that makes it an 'undertake'.

So if you're driving in the inside lane, and some moron is hogging the outside lane, you're fine to pass him on inside.

Exactly!

hence...

There are of course many situations where 'passing on the inside' is not considered to be 'overtaking on the inside'

 

[Dingleberry88]

I hate this.

Great example of it here:

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

The traffic is caused by HGV`s overtaking each other, this really ***** me off when they do this as it takes them atleast 3 to 4 miles to do it.

HGV should be banned from overtaking each other.

This and middle lane drivers are my pet hate.

Could not agree more. HGV overtaking is one of the biggest annoyances and dangers to other road users I see on my daily commute.

 

[Sic]

hah, I used to do that weaving in slow traffic but you never actually get anywhere. As soon as you move lanes, traffic in the lane you just left starts moving and the one you moved into stops. Damn motorway traffic Gods.

 

[Overlag]

I dont like people who leave massive 5-6 car gaps in the outside lane,that to me is lane hogging,and you should really move back into the inside lanes unless you are overtaking or driving a BMW or an Audi

@ 70mph thats a good braking distance.

I hate this.

Great example of it here:

thats the m25!

Could not agree more. HGV overtaking is one of the biggest annoyances and dangers to other road users I see on my daily commute.

how its it dangerous to other road users? its annoying (because you cant go faster) but its not dangerous at all, slow down, wait for them to finish there maneuver and enjoy the clear road ahead (as the HGV's have stopped traffic the road will now be clear lol)

 

[csmager]

When I asked the guy on our police training course, he said its fine to pass on the inside. Its the changing lane, then passing inside, the pulling back out that makes it an 'undertake'.

As a student, I used to drive home at very off peak time. And no one seems to want to go to Lincolnshire.

On the M180, the 3-4 lane motorway would most often be pretty empty. I once passed a VW Golf in the outside lane doing ~70mph while I was driving in the inside lane. Unbelieveable.

I've also come up to some prat in the middle lane on his own while I was in the inside lane actually indicated, changed across three lanes, overtaken, then crossed the three back in front of them. They still stay there.