Excessive braking.....
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No you cannot. Read the highway code.
And I quoted it. It applies to situations whereby the road is busy and there are 3 lanes of queuing traffic. It does not apply to otherwise reasonably clear Motorways with morons sitting in the middle lane.
[TW]Fox;11837719 said:
you could still argue the fact that you are keeping with traffic in your lane?
anyhow....
http://www.middlelanemorons.com/
lol
[TW]Fox;11837741 said:How about you try it and argue it out with the police officer. I'm telling you that you can't
whats a police officer? we done away with them around here, we got safety cameras instead.
on searious note yeah i know its wrong, but on the m25 is normal. doesnt make it right though...doh
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Ha, you taking the ****?
I passed my test in 9 hours, theory first time. I know the law and how to drive within it. My standard of driving from guys in my age is far far far better than most. Drink driving, racing and god knows what goes on and I take no part in it.
I used undertake in the context of you move lane to pass the vehicle in front. Not following with the traffic in heavyish traffic and undertaking. I Still try and avoid it due to people not looking in there bloody mirrors!
Anyway, back to the topic.
Edit: If the middle land is doing 80, inside they are doing 60 with no real large spaces and moving faster on the outside (outside being by the central reservation - I can never remember which way round it is!!!), is sitting in the middle lane acceptable?
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no lane 1 is where everyone should be, lane 2,3,4 etc are for overtaking. you cant stay in a lane just because you are doing 80mph... im sick of the amount of times im stuck behind someone doing 70mph in the 3rd lane because thats "as fast as you should go"
You shake your head?
Your picture shows two trucks overtaking, on the middle & near side lane. The outside lane is out of bounds for HGV's and thus is your passing route.
You HAD to undertake the van? I'm sorry but I really don't think so.
What on earth prevented you from pulling out behind the van until he's passed the two HGV's? - I'm sure you'd be the first to cry if the van driver had ,for whatever reason, decided to swing back into the middle lane as you were being "forced" to undertake?
People often forget to check their nearside mirror prior to changing lane, had that van driver done so as you were passing.... Well, I'm sure you can guess the rest. (alas I see this all the time)
To be quite frank mate,If I were you, I'd stop getting mad at other drivers and look at your own driving style!
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What are you on about? the van was doing less than 70 and I was doing just under 70 so naturally was undertaking but LEGALLY, your mistake was assuming I was undertaking illegally at which point all further assumptions fail to make any sense.
The lorry drivers were NOT over taking anything, they were at the same distance apart from the position in the pic to when I was in front of them looking back in the rear view mirror and it's been the same many times before I have seen them do exacly *** same thing hogging the middlelane as they motorway-chat to one another however they do it side by side slowing traffic down behind them.
There are ZERO things wrong with my driving style on the motorway and my daily commute is motorway driving anyway so I am well aware of how certain vehicle drivers tend to use the motorway and there's certainly some things wrong with many lorry driver's driving styles and I fail to see how you can pass judgement on the desires and actions of drivers in a picture when you were not even there and it's also impossible to tell what's going on without background from someone who was
The lorry drivers were NOT over taking anything, they were at the same distance apart from the position in the pic to when I was in front of them looking back in the rear view mirror and it's been the same many times before I have seen them do exacly *** same thing hogging the middlelane as they motorway-chat to one another however they do it side by side slowing traffic down behind them.
There are ZERO things wrong with my driving style on the motorway and my daily commute is motorway driving anyway so I am well aware of how certain vehicle drivers tend to use the motorway and there's certainly some things wrong with many lorry driver's driving styles and I fail to see how you can pass judgement on the desires and actions of drivers in a picture when you were not even there and it's also impossible to tell what's going on without background from someone who was
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What are you on about? the van was doing less than 70 and I was doing just under 70 so naturally was undertaking but LEGALLY, your mistake was assuming I was undertaking illegally at which point all further assumptions fail to make any sense.
The lorry drivers were NOT over taking anything, they were at the same distance apart from the position in the pic to when I was in front of them looking back in the rear view mirror and it's been the same many times before I have seen them do exacly *** same thing hogging the middlelane as they motorway-chat to one another however they do it side by side slowing traffic down behind them.
There are ZERO things wrong with my driving style on the motorway and my daily commute is motorway driving anyway so I am well aware of how certain vehicle drivers tend to use the motorway and there's certainly some things wrong with many lorry driver's driving styles and I fail to see how you can pass judgement on the desires and actions of drivers in a picture when you were not even there and it's also impossible to tell what's going on without background from someone who was
No mate, my gripe is you say your forced to undertake, which I disagree with.
Or let me put it another way, I did a near identical thing a good while back whilst on a driving assessment (part of the job) and was severely marked down for doing so despite , from what I read of your situation, being in a near identical situation myself.
You won't like this, but anybody who thinks there is ZERO wrong with their driving style is kidding themselves, we can all improve and I certainly include myself in that statement.
And as for passing judgement, your happy to pass judgement on HGV drivers it appears but hey, so are most drivers, your opinion would perhaps change if you had any experience of driving one on roads full of drivers who think their driving style is faultless!
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I forgot to add, doing 80mph with the cars in front
I try to keep up with the traffic in any lane I am, but I know I shouldn't really be in there but the continual stream of 60mph lorries to my left meant I couldn't really go into that lane :/
Oh well, im only 5 months into driving, still plenty to learn
What are you on about? the van was doing less than 70 and I was doing just under 70 so naturally was undertaking but LEGALLY, your mistake was assuming I was undertaking illegally at which point all further assumptions fail to make any sense.
The lorry drivers were NOT over taking anything, they were at the same distance apart from the position in the pic to when I was in front of them looking back in the rear view mirror and it's been the same many times before I have seen them do exacly *** same thing hogging the middlelane as they motorway-chat to one another however they do it side by side slowing traffic down behind them.
There are ZERO things wrong with my driving style on the motorway and my daily commute is motorway driving anyway so I am well aware of how certain vehicle drivers tend to use the motorway and there's certainly some things wrong with many lorry driver's driving styles and I fail to see how you can pass judgement on the desires and actions of drivers in a picture when you were not even there and it's also impossible to tell what's going on without background from someone who was
I counted two full stops there. Well done.
And yes, just move out behind the van until you're past the lorries. You're only going to get boxed in otherwise
Do you think motorway driving would improve over time if we actually taught new drivers how to use the motorway?
Common things I see in a day are:
Common things I see in a day are:
- People joining the motorway slowly (i.e 40- 50 mph)
- Not having suitable gaps in between cars
- Middle Lane drivers
- People thinking it is there right to pull out regardless of gap available
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But you were - what you did, irrespective of whether the rest of us may or may not have done the same thing, was illegal. You cannot simply maintain speed and course regardless of other vehicles lane positioning. The exception in the HC does not apply to situations like yours where there is no noticeable queing traffic. It's for when the Motorway is snarled up and everyone is crawling along at 30-50mph in 3 seperate clogged up lanes.
Then, and only then, you can pass people on the inside.
Furthermore it looks to me that the van has moved out to overtake the approaching trucks. What you did was a textbook undertake - he had a valid reason to be there yet no, you felt the need to nip up the inside and them presumably pull in front of him?
[TW]Fox;11837741 said:How about you try it and argue it out with the police officer. I'm telling you that you can't
Fox in doesnt know the law again SHOCKER, just like you dont the law regarding invalid insurance and the consequences of driving with invalid insurance, you dont know the law regarding passing on the left or undertaking.
Concorde Rules should have a read as well, apologies on a postcard please.
http://www.middlelanemorons.com/script/middle_lane_morons_prob.php
More importantly, the reply from the department of transport:
Dear Mr Scott
Thank you for your e-mail of 28 May 2002 about lane discipline on our motorways. I have been asked to reply.
The Government sympathise with your concern about the standard of driving on our motorways. "Lane hogging" can be very irritating to other drivers, it reduces road capacity, particularly at high flow levels and it is potentially dangerous. However lane hogging is not a specific offence, although it is safe driving practice for vehicles using motorways to remain in the left hand lane unless overtaking as advised in the Highway Code. Failure to comply with the advice in the Highway Code does not in itself constitute an offence (nor would it necessarily be crucial to the outcome of any civil case which might come before the courts). However, anyone involved on such a case would be entitled to point to a failure to heed the Highway Code's advice. It would then be for the court to reach its decision in the light of all the evidence presented to it. Nevertheless The Road Traffic Act 1991 has given police the powers to prosecute people for the offences of dangerous and careless and inconsiderate driving.
Overtaking on the left is not an offence in the United Kingdom. However, all drivers are bound by our road traffic laws, and liable to prosecution for offences such as careless or dangerous driving. Enforcement of the law is, of course, a matter for the police who will make their decisions on whether to prosecute in the circumstances of each individual case.
My Department will continue to press home the message about good motorway lane discipline through publicity such as our leaflet "A Guide to Safer Motorway Driving". Additionally, signs reading "Keep Left Except When Overtaking" have been erected on some motorways and lane discipline has also been included in police motorway safety campaigns.
Yours sincerely
JOHN DOYLE
No, thats you who is utterly ignorant of that particular law.
But it looks like I'm going to have concede this one
