Exclusive: The AMD Inside Story, Navi GPU Roadmap And The Cost Of Zen To Gamers

Gregster · 13 Jun 2018 at 09:52

Armageus said:
I'm sure there are some grains of truth in that, but personally I'd still take it with the mountain of salt that any WCCF article deserves.

I'd be surprised if AMD don't release some kind of parts this year, even if they are a basic die shrink or improved yield rebrand of existing parts (and no the RX5x0X parts don't count )

This.

AMD will most likely work on the shrink and better power delivery.

Freddie1980 · 13 Jun 2018 at 11:43

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...and-the-cost-of-zen-to-gamers.18822671/page-3

I'm having problems reconciling the two threads.

Marine-RX179 · 13 Jun 2018 at 11:56

Gregster said:
This.

AMD will most likely work on the shrink and better power delivery.

A VEGA 64 with better efficiency at £350 or a VEGA 64 with 20% more performance at sub £500 I might bite.

Not going to happen though I bet :rolleyes:

LePhuronn · 13 Jun 2018 at 12:30

Marine-RX179 said:
A VEGA 64 with better efficiency at £350 or a VEGA 64 with 20% more performance at sub £500 I might bite.

Not going to happen though I bet

That's the real kicker, isn't it. I think a lot of people would be happy with the mental power requirements if the card was priced properly. What's the point paying near Ti money for a 1080 performer?

subbytna · 13 Jun 2018 at 14:52

Armageus said:
I'm sure there are some grains of truth in that, but personally I'd still take it with the mountain of salt that any WCCF article deserves.

I'd be surprised if AMD don't release some kind of parts this year, even if they are a basic die shrink or improved yield rebrand of existing parts (and no the RX5x0X parts don't count )

I just don't trust anything wccf ever says, period. That mantra hasn't really failed me yet lol

jigger · 13 Jun 2018 at 15:14

LePhuronn said:
That's the real kicker, isn't it. I think a lot of people would be happy with the mental power requirements if the card was priced properly. What's the point paying near Ti money for a 1080 performer?

Is that the water cooled card? The the Vega 64XT?

LePhuronn · 13 Jun 2018 at 17:28

jigger said:
Is that the water cooled card? The the Vega 64XT?

It was more a reference to the MSRP of the cards, not the mentally-inflated prices we see these days.

Gregster · 13 Jun 2018 at 17:42

Marine-RX179 said:
A VEGA 64 with better efficiency at £350 or a VEGA 64 with 20% more performance at sub £500 I might bite.

Not going to happen though I bet

It would be a shame to see prices as they are but I don't think they will be returning to 7970/680 prices for top end cards

4K8KW10 · 13 Jun 2018 at 18:21

Gregster said:
It would be a shame to see prices as they are but I don't think they will be returning to 7970/680 prices for top end cards

Actually, RX 580 current pricing is pretty much in line with that ^^^ and the former Radeon HD 4890 pricing before the HD 5870 launch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Radeon_500_series

But even if you think pricing is higher, then AMD has something in mind, too:

AMD is looking into selling graphics cards direct to gamers to save us from "crazy pricing" https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-selling-aib-graphics-cards-direct

JediFragger · 13 Jun 2018 at 18:25

They'll be dumping HBM asap on gaming cards and just be used for AI/server parts, hence why we won't see a 7nm gaming Vega (or if we do, it'll be the last gaming HBM card from AMD!). It's a dead duck to anyone with their head screwed on, which Lisa whatsitface has.

4K8KW10 · 13 Jun 2018 at 18:35

JediFragger said:
They'll be dumping HBM asap on gaming cards and just be used for AI/server parts, hence why we won't see a 7nm gaming Vega (or if we do, it'll be the last gaming HBM card from AMD!). It's a dead duck to anyone with their head screwed on, which Lisa whatsitface has.

Really?!
I have seen reports about Samsung working on cheap HBM for mass production.

HBM3 and Low Cost HBM In The Works; 2x Higher Bandwidth Than HBM2 http://techfrag.com/2016/08/22/hbm3-low-cost-hbm-works-2x-higher-bandwidth-hbm2/
SK Hynix & Samsung Discuss 'Low-Cost HBM', HBM2 & HBM3 https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/646931-sk-hynix-samsung-discuss-low-cost-hbm-hbm2-hbm3/

They just need to make it. Much better compact cards with HBM than super long GDDR ones.

LoadsaMoney · 13 Jun 2018 at 18:54

JediFragger said:
They'll be dumping HBM asap on gaming cards and just be used for AI/server parts, hence why we won't see a 7nm gaming Vega (or if we do, it'll be the last gaming HBM card from AMD!). It's a dead duck to anyone with their head screwed on, which Lisa whatsitface has.

Which they don't do anymore

JediFragger · 13 Jun 2018 at 20:06

4K8KW10 said:
They just need to make it. Much better compact cards with HBM than super long GDDR ones.

Time will tell I suppose, but I will be personally surprised if they do.

Zeed · 13 Jun 2018 at 21:09

4K8KW10 said:
Actually, RX 580 current pricing is pretty much in line with that ^^^ and the former Radeon HD 4890 pricing before the HD 5870 launch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Radeon_500_series

But even if you think pricing is higher, then AMD has something in mind, too:

AMD is looking into selling graphics cards direct to gamers to save us from "crazy pricing" https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-selling-aib-graphics-cards-direct

But 580 is not TOP tier card where 4870 6970 7970 ware. vega 64 is top tier card
580 is mid tier card init ?? same as 1070 is mid tier card for Ngreedia.

Troezar · 13 Jun 2018 at 21:24

The real battle is for the mass market. The issue right now is that even the low end is fairly expensive. If AMD have any sense they'll be trying to make cards as fast as they can whilst keeping the price in the £150-£250 range.

The parts people on this forum are interested in are just a bonus but I even see enthusiasts balking at current prices. I don't see HBM2 helping being the price down. Hopefully the cost of memory will come down over the next year or so.

4K8KW10 · 13 Jun 2018 at 22:32

Zeed said:
But 580 is not TOP tier card where 4870 6970 7970 ware. vega 64 is top tier card
580 is mid tier card init ?? same as 1070 is mid tier card for Ngreedia.

RX 580 is exactly what 4890/4870 were. RX Vega 64 is what 4870 X2 was.
6970 had also 6990 variant, 7970 also had 7990 variant (but these were slightly higher than the sweet spot).

RX 580 falls right into the old sweet spot strategy practiced by AMD.

Martini1991 · 13 Jun 2018 at 23:07

4K8KW10 said:
RX 580 is exactly what 4890/4870 were. RX Vega 64 is what 4870 X2 was.
6970 had also 6990 variant, 7970 also had 7990 variant (but these were slightly higher than the sweet spot).

RX 580 falls right into the old sweet spot strategy practiced by AMD.

Multi GPU versus Single GPU, also you're comparing the flagship AMD single GPU's to a mid range single GPU.

It's not even close to the same thing.

I'm not sure what's "sweet" about the 580 price point given that it was available in 290X's years and years ago.......

Zeed · 13 Jun 2018 at 23:10

4K8KW10 said:
RX 580 is exactly what 4890/4870 were. RX Vega 64 is what 4870 X2 was.
6970 had also 6990 variant, 7970 also had 7990 variant (but these were slightly higher than the sweet spot).

RX 580 falls right into the old sweet spot strategy practiced by AMD.

wait what ??
Single chip gpu vs crossfire on one card... Hows that even comperavle LOL
Bet they would make Vega 64x2 but case in pc would go on fire

580 is 290x performance from ALMOST 5 Years ago with 150 pound lower price....

Zeed · 13 Jun 2018 at 23:10

Martini1991 said:
Multi GPU versus Single GPU, also you're comparing the flagship AMD single GPU's to a mid range single GPU.

It's not even close to the same thing.

I'm not sure what's "sweet" about the 580 price point given that it was available in 290X's years and years ago.......

**** man same thing posted same time lol

we are wrong tho custom cooled 580 is 1% faster than stock blower 290x
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-580-vs-AMD-R9-290X/3923vs2166

Still remember the UBER mode

Day waterblock came was like one of best days of 2013 for my housemate. Thank god I play in noise canceling headset HAHAHAH

Gregster · 13 Jun 2018 at 23:13

4K8KW10 said:
Actually, RX 580 current pricing is pretty much in line with that ^^^ and the former Radeon HD 4890 pricing before the HD 5870 launch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Radeon_500_series

But even if you think pricing is higher, then AMD has something in mind, too:

AMD is looking into selling graphics cards direct to gamers to save us from "crazy pricing" https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-selling-aib-graphics-cards-direct

The 7970 launched at $550 and the 680 launched at $500.

4K8KW10 said:
Actually, RX 580 current pricing is pretty much in line with that ^^^ and the former Radeon HD 4890 pricing before the HD 5870 launch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Radeon_500_series

But even if you think pricing is higher, then AMD has something in mind, too:

AMD is looking into selling graphics cards direct to gamers to save us from "crazy pricing" https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-selling-aib-graphics-cards-direct

Unfortunately, 580 isn't the top tier card. Considering prices of the Vega 64 blower were $500 for 10 mins before going up over $100 and 1080Ti is silly also, my point is valid.