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The i7 made a lot more sense to pair with discrete graphics card because the L4 cache it had on die could be used when using a discrete card as well. This meant better performance than skylake in certain games.
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Exclusive: The AMD Inside Story, Navi GPU Roadmap And The Cost Of Zen To Gamers
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The i7 made a lot more sense to pair with discrete graphics card because the L4 cache it had on die could be used when using a discrete card as well. This meant better performance than skylake in certain games.
Yup, Navi on 7nm is next year, and first half higher chance than second half.
Hmm, I thought Iris Pro is still their highest end graphics to date.
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So it was just the usual WCCF bull poo then?
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Pretty much, we haven't had any more consumer CPUs with the GT3 graphics AFAIK.
It's not just a lack of GPUs, it's also a lack of advancement in terms of perf/$.
290 -> 480 -> 580 = 4-5 years of the same perf/$.
That's not quite fair. Amd are apparently not responsible for the massive inflation of price mining has caused them. Although I do think they could have been braver and ramped performance higher. Or been more proactive in creating a 'one per customer' gaming channel to keep a more moderate price dor single end users.
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I don't think Fox meant AMD specifically. What he's trying to say the performance for the graphic card at the £200~£300 price bracket has barely budged for nearly 4 years, and the same goes for Nvidia as well with their 1060 (though unlike AMD they are not limited by what they could realistically deliver, but instead chose to "under-deliver" and dip-feed us for the sake of making more money).
That's the point though the RX 480 launched at 199 or 239. It should be 180 quid or actually 2 years on more like 150 tops... and at that price it would be a really good increase in price/performance over previous generations.
The inability to supply has more than doubled the cost AMD planned for this and as they are a corporate they dont really care.
I think they had a genuine costed plan to re ignite the PC gaming market with a really strong 1080p card at a price point the market would snatch up. The mining craze has met that they have sold every card they could produce at better prices and amd and their whole supply chain has largely done extremely well out of it. I would love a peak under the hood of the financials of the whole lot to see who made all the money over the last 18 months... And I am really interested why no one in the press has done a proper investigative story on that.
The inability to supply has more than doubled the cost AMD planned for this and as they are a corporate they dont really care.
I think they had a genuine costed plan to re ignite the PC gaming market with a really strong 1080p card at a price point the market would snatch up. The mining craze has met that they have sold every card they could produce at better prices and amd and their whole supply chain has largely done extremely well out of it. I would love a peak under the hood of the financials of the whole lot to see who made all the money over the last 18 months... And I am really interested why no one in the press has done a proper investigative story on that.
No, I expect people to take anything like this written in the tech media as complete BS. As if AMD aren't going to improve on Vega for 3 yrs. They could do that with zero effort if they wanted to, they already have the parts and call them Instinct.
WCCF and every other similar site create these articles to get traffic. Next week they'll probably publish something that completely rebuffs this and flip flop til the cows come home.
If AMD make an official announcement, that is the only source anyone should believe, not some journo trying to generate money for their site.
Then again, nobody in here would be able to argue about it if we all just saw it for what it was
Fair enough, but you do realise companies can and will lie in official statements?
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Had a good chat with raja, lots of interesting stuff being worked on with intel's new graphics architecture. Also the reasons behind Vegas woes are interesting and not what people think. But that's all i will say.
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Had a good chat with raja, lots of interesting stuff being worked on with intel's new graphics architecture. Also the reasons behind Vegas woes are interesting and not what people think. But that's all i will say.
#insiderinfo
Always more than one side to a story and generally people don't accept the problem is themselves heh.
I don't understand.
There is no such a big problem in Vega itself but in the fact that Polaris and Vega have no impeding replacements anytime soon.
It is like AMD wants to abandon the graphics market, but that isn't just gamers, that is notebooks as well.
They can't sell only APUs. What is so wrong with them
It won't cost billions to improve Polaris.
There is no such a big problem in Vega itself but in the fact that Polaris and Vega have no impeding replacements anytime soon.
It is like AMD wants to abandon the graphics market, but that isn't just gamers, that is notebooks as well.
They can't sell only APUs. What is so wrong with them
It won't cost billions to improve Polaris.I'm actually more curious what went wrong with Fiji - other than being stuck with 28nm and potentially using it to gain experience with HBM.
There were just so many lessons not learnt there but hints of more problems behind the scenes as obviously at least 3 different groups of people weren't on the same page with its development.
There were just so many lessons not learnt there but hints of more problems behind the scenes as obviously at least 3 different groups of people weren't on the same page with its development.
Fiji is still faster than GTX 980Ti https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/RX_580_Mech_2/31.html
While Vega trailing behind the lower tier GTX 1080, is the ultimate turd in these charts.
While Vega trailing behind the lower tier GTX 1080, is the ultimate turd in these charts.
Across a wider range of titles its performance is very hit and miss - while it can keep up with the 1070 in some stuff it really falls down in others and it is propped up quite a bit in that review by not falling down quite as badly as some of the other cards in 4K in some titles such as https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/RX_580_Mech_2/12.html
It should have been possible to make a much more consistently fast card from it even with the problem of being stuck on 28nm.
I think it's quite explainable considering AMD's choice to focus on Zen. GCN was at the end of the road, development became a lot harder and they simply didn't have the budget to make everything work.