Executed by nitrogen gas

[One More Solo]

That was the argument for the lethal injection, which they were moving away from. Sedation drugs are significantly more available.

It seems even getting hold of them is problematic (https://time.com/5636513/pentobarbital-executions-justice-department/) and there are question marks over how effective sedation is (https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/news/inventor-of-midazolam-opposes-its-use-in-executions).

It’s pretty disturbing that state are resorting to paying cash for drugs from middlemen.

 

[One More Solo]

Silly me, I thought this was a forum. You know, a place for discussion! I did make it pretty clear that I didn't know, and I was speculating, so why the hostility? Especially, when it seems that the speculation was correct.

Discussion involves listening and talking so surely a basic courtesy is to read what has already been discussed, where that point has already been addressed?

 

[Irish_Tom]

Yikes - I've never used a rebreather but when I dived with a BSAC club we'd always have a buddy and go through literally everything super-autistically with that buddy before getting into the water, like literally showing each bit of kit and that it's working so two people are checking each other off... seems OTT/silly but it saves screw ups like that!

I'd have the same assumption though, surely death by asphyxiation without the CO2 buildup should be painless, but clearly, the seizures are an issue.

Yeah this was a BSAC club. The guy wasn’t a member, he was a friend of a friend of the club leader, and he just wanted to tag along to a pool session to try his new toy.

In hindsight, he should still have had a buddy (especially as some of the more experienced members were rebreather-trained) but he wasn’t a novice and everyone was getting on with their usual training…

There were definitely no seizures, he was lying very still at the bottom of the pool which is what alerted everyone to the problem. Maybe we got to him before the nerve-death twitching started.

Once everyone realised, things kicked into action very quickly. The training definitely works! We had him out of the pool, out of his gear, started CPR, and the ambulance arrived all within about 10-15 minutes.

As I said, he survived, but I don’t think he used a rebreather again.

This was almost 20 years ago. One would hope that the technology has improved so the system can alert you to these types of errors. But even so, it should never be a replacement for a buddy check.

 

[Hagar]

Executed by lack of oxygen...

 

[Semple]

It seems even getting hold of them is problematic (https://time.com/5636513/pentobarbital-executions-justice-department/) and there are question marks over how effective sedation is (https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/news/inventor-of-midazolam-opposes-its-use-in-executions).

It’s pretty disturbing that state are resorting to paying cash for drugs from middlemen.

Maybe this is where governments start to realise the downside to bureaucratic red tape. I imagine a number of the bigger prisons in the US have decent sized hospital wards where they perform a variety of procedures that would likely make use of sedatives. I've no first hand experience in the procurement of drugs, but you'd have thought purchasing them for use within the prison system would be as transparent as they need to be. Regardless of whether they're being used on a hospital ward, or for execution.

 

[Hotwired]

Quite comical the self inflicted inconvenience being inflicted to kill someone with years of notice and plenty of spotlight on it.

In a country crippling itself with firearms, where ammunition is sold specifically to kill and the effectiveness of ammunition for causing death is studied intensely they have these creepy fingers reaching for eccentric ways of chemically murdering someone who's completely helpless and restrained like a lab experiment.

 

[Voltar]

When I read the article yesterday I felt sick and upset. It’s totally and utterly disgusting:
-Serving what would already be an extended life sentence here
-Going through an execution attempt where they’re sticking a needle through the gap in your collarbone during an ordeal lasting the full permitted 6 hours by state law.
-Being subjected to an untested method of execution which resulted in, well you’ve read the article…

Even if you’re an absolute eye for an eye person that cannot in any way be in line with that doctrine. The suffering prolonged over more than many on here’s lifetimes and going twice to an execution chamber is NOT the response.

I’m so glad we do not have capital cases in this jurisdiction. I hope we NEVER have them.

Juries can and do acquit the guilty and I’m afraid by extension some innocent get convicted. One way of guaranteeing that no innocent person gets put to death by the state is not to have such punishments available.

Whilst others on here and I abhor the death penalty, I know that I’ll never be able to dissuade others from their view that if someone puts another to a horrible end, they too must suffer the same at least. I just hope they never get falsely accused of a serious crime.

Edit: this is also why I fundamentally disagree with televised trials and increasing media involvement in criminal litigation. But my view is not shared by many regarding open justice being done by publishing names and televising trials.

 

[Vern1961]

For a country that is utterly obsessed with guns, all this faffing about for an alternative to lethal injection does seem odd.

Maybe they're short on ammo?

Problem with shooting is that a firing squad aiming at the heart can miss, requiring someone to administer the coup de grace. A bullet to the back of the head is liable to spread brains and mess all over the place. hence my earlier assertion, distasteful and possibly frightening for the victim it might be, judicial long drop hanging as was carried out properly as in the UK prior to abolition is relatively quick and clean.

I mean it's all relative as no one has ever come back to exclaim, "christ that bloody hurt", but I guess any modern method of execution (save possibly the electric chair) is preferable to being burned alive at the stake, a short dangle and strangle hanging before having your guts pulled out, or your head bludgeoned off by an axe which were generally the options in medieval times or indeed up until the late 18th century.

 

[Hodders]

Seriously, thinking of ways of executing someone is not hard. Thinking of reasons why it is even remotely acceptable is the challenge.

 

[Efour]

How about just mirror the way they killed their victim?
Adds a bit of variation and interest for social media.
Maybe the one that gets the most likes can be used in the long run .

 

[Felon]

How about just mirror the way they killed their victim?
Adds a bit of variation and interest for social media.
Maybe the one that gets the most likes can be used in the long run

Imagine doing that for Jeffrey Dahmer's murders

(Some dude strapped to a gurney, whilst the executioner drills a hole in his head and pours in acid)

 

[Nasher]

How about just mirror the way they killed their victim?
Adds a bit of variation and interest for social media.
Maybe the one that gets the most likes can be used in the long run .

It probably would make some of them think twice.

But yea as said above. The US is full of guns and shooting people to death is legal for self defense. Why not just use a firing squad.

 

[kitkat9933]

It probably would make some of them think twice.

But yea as said above. The US is full of guns and shooting people to death is legal for self defense. Why not just use a firing squad.

The problem with firing squad is the impact it has the on the firing squad. It’s more physiologically impactful to them compared to say injecting drugs etc

 

[bainbridge]

The problem with firing squad is the impact it has the on the firing squad. It’s more physiologically impactful to them compared to say injecting drugs etc

I don't think the US will have difficulty finding a firing squad consisting of indifferent sharpshooters.

 

[GGizmo]

The guy murdered an innocent woman, wife and mother.

They missed an opportunity to do experiments on him. Better on him than poor innocent animals.

His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

For those questioning whether taking a life is permissible in Abrahamic religions. This is the description of my guy returning. Kicking ass and taking names.