External Trunking + Cabling

psd99

psd99

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Quick question on running some cables externally, Looking to run some ethernet, hdmi, coaxial cable externally.

What's the best trunking to buy for this? Also which ethenet cable would you recommend?
 
You can buy external grade ethernet, and i think coax is always external grade, so would run those without trunking as trunking takes up lots of room. Not sure if you can get external HDMI, so that might have to go via trunking.
 
it will look unsightly without the trunking though
we're talking 4 x ethernet
prob 2 x coaxial

I guess for HDMI I could research that or just use the ethenet to HDMI adapters

i am also unsure what looks best for the cables when they comes inside the wall some type of O rings or something?
 
psd99 said:
it will look unsightly without the trunking though
we're talking 4 x ethernet
prob 2 x coaxial

I guess for HDMI I could research that or just use the ethenet to HDMI adapters
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I used HDMI over Ethernet for mine. It'll look unsightly regardless - you'll still have a great mass of something running along/up/down the outside walls.

psd99 said:
i am also unsure what looks best for the cables when they comes inside the wall some type of O rings or something?
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Nooooo, terminate them properly into faceplates.
 
Semple said:
I used HDMI over Ethernet for mine. It'll look unsightly regardless - you'll still have a great mass of something running along/up/down the outside walls.



Nooooo, terminate them properly into faceplates.
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nah I'm talking about source side lol
ie the bit on the wall where they come into the networking switch.


With HDMI over ethernet, can you get 4k? I guess I need to use cat 6/7
 
psd99 said:
nah I'm talking about source side lol
ie the bit on the wall where they come into the networking switch.


With HDMI over ethernet, can you get 4k? I guess I need to use cat 6/7
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Ahh, if it's hidden away in like a cupboard then i wouldn't worry too much. Mine all terminate in a cupboard under the stairs, so they literally just come through a hole in the wall, the rack is high enough on the wall that it's hidden away.

I have seen 4k senders, but i think they're quite expensive, and i don't know how reliable they would be - so bit of a gamble unless you can find someone who's reviewed and can recommend.
 
Semple said:
Ahh, if it's hidden away in like a cupboard then i wouldn't worry too much. Mine all terminate in a cupboard under the stairs, so they literally just come through a hole in the wall, the rack is high enough on the wall that it's hidden away.

I have seen 4k senders, but i think they're quite expensive, and i don't know how reliable they would be - so bit of a gamble unless you can find someone who's reviewed and can recommend.
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Yes it is hidden away

I dont think hdmi cable can be ran externally that's why i wanted the trunking :)
but mind you it'll need a bigger hole than say running the other cables so perhaps the ethernet to hdmi converter would be better

which RJ45 wall sockets are decent? the ones I got are rubbish very temperamental and it is a struggle to pull the cables out. I'd rather not mess with them as long as they work.
 
If you're doing CAT6 or higher make sure you've got the right tools and ends/faceplates and know the deal with distance of untwisted wire, less than 6mm untwisted iiic.

A lot of people try to use BT style punch down tools and while they do work and look pretty much the same they're not identical so worth using the right tools, same goes for crimps.
 
so I have never used cat6 before only cat5e/5

I just got a new crimping tool - distances are probably less than 20M
 
Plastic conduit and trunking expand quite a lot in the sun, so unless you fit it to allow for that, it will look horrible come the summer.

You can get mini trunking in brown. Something like Centaur CMT3 / MK YT3 or CMT4 / YT4 would give plenty of room for those cables. I think YT2 would certainly be too small.
Make sure you elongate any fixing holes you drill in the trunking to allow for the expansion.
 
For your HDMI, you will probably need some sort of active driver/converter whichever route you use, HDMI only has a maximum length of ~15m iirc. Have a look into SDI converters as well as ethernet. They'll do UHD/4K (or at least I've seen blackmagic ones that do 4K), aren't horrendously expensive & they run over a coax cable.
 
psd99 said:
so I have never used cat6 before only cat5e/5

I just got a new crimping tool - distances are probably less than 20M
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You'll hate CAT6 then :p

Seriously though it is a right pain to terminate and use compared to Cat5/e due to the plastic divider that separates the 4 pairs.

You'll be fine but i hate doing CAT6 and only tend to order CAT5e for anything we do at work as it's just easier to do.
 
sovietspybob said:
You'll hate CAT6 then :p

Seriously though it is a right pain to terminate and use compared to Cat5/e due to the plastic divider that separates the 4 pairs.

You'll be fine but i hate doing CAT6 and only tend to order CAT5e for anything we do at work as it's just easier to do.
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I never found that bothered me, a sharp knife and you can cut the divider away. I actually found cat6 a breeze to terminate on faceplates and patch panel. They were all colour coded, so just a case of matching up and punching down.
 
I have external grade cat7 throughout my house, going out from the rack in the garage to the loft switch which powers the AP's via PoE, and then into face plates in 3-4 of the rooms. I originally had them tacked along the wooden fascias as they were painted dark brown, so the cables sort of blended in. When we had the fascias replaced with UPVC this winter the guys who fitted them hid (most of) the cables behind the fascias. Works well and protects the cables further from the elements.
 
Is there a difference between cat6 rj45 connectors and cat5/5e?

Also does anyone know if i get some of these new pass through connectors
Would an old school crimping tool work? Or does it need to be a pass through crimping tool
 
psd99 said:
Is there a difference between cat6 rj45 connectors and cat5/5e?
Yes they're designed to take the larger core.
Also does anyone know if i get some of these new pass through connectors
Would an old school crimping tool work? Or does it need to be a pass through crimping tool
Afraid not, the new tools have a knife that cut off at the end of the crimp.
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In that case i might be better sticking to external cat5e cable.
That’s good enough in my opinion for my purposes,
My switch is a gigg one anyway

plus i wont need to buy a new crimping tool
 
psd99 said:
In that case i might be better sticking to external cat5e cable.
That’s good enough in my opinion for my purposes,
My switch is a gigg one anyway

plus i wont need to buy a new crimping tool
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Cat5e is plenty good enough, you'll be getting 2.5/5G switching before 10.
 
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