F1 2013 Testing: Week 3 Barcelona

...new mechanical technologies are frequently relevant to the wider world.

Yep, the new inline 4 cylinder engines are relevant to all the major road car makers across the globe so will make F1 a test bed for consumer technology world wide...

...oh no wait, that didn't happen, did it :rolleyes::p
 
Try not to go full retard quite so often.

It was a dig at the FIA/Teams, not you, sorry. Formula 1 should be a leading force for global car technology development. But the 2014 engine regulations are utterly useless to everyone involved.

An aero based formula is a minor problem compared to the FIAs attempts to get car manufacturers involved by forcing them to make an engine completely irrelevant to them.
 
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It was a dig at the FIA/Teams, not you, sorry. Formula 1 should be a leading force for global car technology development. But the 2014 engine regulations are utterly useless to everyone involved.

An aero based formula is a minor problem compared to the FIAs attempts to get car manufacturers involved by forcing them to make an engine completely irrelevant to them.

Sorry. I clearly got out of bed the wrong side this morning :(
 
Might as well race in GP2 then

Never a dull moment in GP2 :D

I think you have a misunderstanding of how the regulations work in F1. If a new rule/technical directive/clarification is made, its applied from that point onwards. They are not retrospectively applied to previous results.

Then the rules need to change but we know the fia will never do the right thing.
 
What do you suggest?


Rules like Nascar have. All cars are Scrutinized before and after the race not like F1 just weighed in.

So if any team have broken the rules they are kicked out the race, lose the points and get a big find. Now that's fair.

Did you know that not one F1 car was fully Scrutinized before or after a race in 2012?
The FIA leave it to the teams to complain but as you say they cant lose points.
 
There simply isn't the time to fully check all cars to all regulations before and after each race.

But anyway, this is not the same thing. Obviously if they get tested and are found to have broken a rule they will get disqualified. Happens all the time with minimum weights and things, that Sauber wing angle thing they had last year, the fuel shenanigans in qualifying. If an F1 team is found to have broken a rule they will be disqualified. What you are talking about is something being declared legal before the race, then after the race a new rule being written making it illegal, and then the FIA retrospectively applying that rule to previous results, which is insane.

If a rule is written at 9am on the 17th March that says the Red Bull engine maps are illegal, they are illegal from 9am on the 17th March onwards. The fact they raced with them from 6am to 8am is irrelevant, they were legal then.

Enforcing existing regulations is very different to retrospectively applying new regulations.
 
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There simply isn't the time to fully check all cars to all regulations before and after each race.


So a two bit hill billy out fit(Nascar) can do this but a so called top of any Motor sport(fia) can't?

This must be the reason why more people watch Nascar then F1 and why F1 is losing viewers.
I've been watching F1 since the 60s and it's about time rules are put in place with no grey area.
 
There simply isn't the time to fully check all cars to all regulations before and after each race.

The inspections aren't all that in depth though. There's no way they can check all the cars against all the regs. The FIA have said that it's the teams responsibility to ensure the cars are legal at all times.

The post race inspections are a touch more in depth, but even then they don't check everything. They'll almost randomly pick regs to check and test several cars. Hence why there's only fuel checks against some of the cars during the weekend. It's how some teams have got away with things in the past, by being lucky and not picked for certain measurements/tests.

If they get an inkling that something is amiss though, they'll go all inspector morse on the cars involved. :D
 
So a two bit hill billy out fit(Nascar) can do this but a so called top of any Motor sport(fia) can't?

This must be the reason why more people watch Nascar then F1 and why F1 is losing viewers.
I've been watching F1 since the 60s and it's about time rules are put in place with no grey area.

Can you bolt a brand new development part onto a NASCAR 3 seconds before the green light goes out for Qualifying?

But again, this isn't about scrutineering, its about the relationship between when rules are made and when they apply that you seem confused about.
 
Can you bolt a brand new development part onto a NASCAR 3 seconds before the green light goes out for Qualifying


What's that got to do with rules?

But again, this isn't about scrutineering, its about the relationship between when rules are made and when they apply that you seem confused about.

I,m not confused! the rules let teams cheat when ever they like but they only get caught if they are very very very unlucky that's what it's all about.
 
What's that got to do with rules?

Well you can hardly fully scrutinize all cars if they are allowed to fit new parts right up until the start of a regulated session, can you?

"Sorry guys, Qualifying has been delayed again, Ferrari have fitted a new wheel nut and we need to fully scrutinize it before letting them out on track" :p

I assume NASCAR is like WRC where cars go through scrutineering before the event starts, and then the parts are fixed for that event. For F1 it would mean Parc Ferme rules would need to apply from Friday mornings.


I,m not confused! the rules let teams cheat when ever they like but they only get caught if they are very very very unlucky that's what it's all about.

The comment that I made that fired you up was that if the FIA create a rule after the Australian GP saying the RBR engine maps are illegal, it doesn't mean that they compeeted in the race with an illegal car. Obviously if the FIA find it breaks an existing rule that was in effect during the race they will be disqualified.
 
This happens in all racing, as said you cannot check every car against every regulation

In karting we get scruitinised before racing starts, this is more of a safety check than a rules check

Then after each heat the top ten are checked against a random requirement, tends to be the most common things that people try and use to cheat

Same with car racing, they will check a small amoutn of requirements. If something appear amiss or an unusual performance then scruitineers can usually decdide to do a more in depth check

As also said, it is the competitors responsibilty to comply with the rules
 
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