F1 2022 Car Launches

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That looks... meh....

Sidepods seem the opposite design choice of the Aston. Gives the McLaren a fatter rear end to the Aston.

But given the rumours about the Aston being a dog and a B spec car in development right now, who knows what's better.

No sidepod undercut by the looks of it from the front view, sidepod sides looks almost vertical.
 
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These differences are wild. I don't trust that McLaren design at all. Those sidepods can't be real, they look almost vertical either side to the floor.

I think it was a video with James Allison going over the new regs. He said that some teams will have got it "very wrong". I'm excited to see who. Roll on more launches and testing!
 
Quite possibly. The AM certainly looks more convincing to my untrained armchair aerodynamicist eye, at least in that area. They must be banking heavily on the undercut sidepod working hard to feed the rear.

Are AM's wheel covers the same as the promo shots? The more I see them the more I think the cars are running on steelies!
 
Quite possibly. The AM certainly looks more convincing to my untrained armchair aerodynamicist eye, at least in that area. They must be banking heavily on the undercut sidepod working hard to feed the rear.

Are AM's wheel covers the same as the promo shots? The more I see them the more I think the cars are running on steelies!
The cars will have had wind tunnel testing, would they not? Thus there shouldn't really been any 'banking on' anything..
 
The cars will have had wind tunnel testing, would they not? Thus there shouldn't really been any 'banking on' anything..
Exactly. They've obviously done their homework and will have simulated both pushrod and pullrod layouts and the result is what we see here,
the AM only looks more convincing because it's the norm, but that all changed with the new regulations.
It'll be interesting to see what Mercedes and Williams come out with as they are all essentially running the same rear end.
 
The cars will have had wind tunnel testing, would they not? Thus there shouldn't really been any 'banking on' anything..


Wind tunnel testing is not the holy grail.
Can recount dozens of times cars looked amazing in the wind tunnel, but were complete animals on the track, taking months to get to grips with, and get to handle as drivers expected it to.
 
Wind tunnel testing is not the holy grail.
Can recount dozens of times cars looked amazing in the wind tunnel, but were complete animals on the track, taking months to get to grips with, and get to handle as drivers expected it to.
The McLaren in 2020 I think was amazing in the wind tunnel but garbage on track. They eventually discovered that their idea of moving the bargeboards forwards, while seemingly logical, worked fantastically in the wind tunnel but on track meant that whenever they turned the wheels to actually go round corners the wake from the from wheels upset the airflow so much the extended bargeboards were useless and did nothing but cause drag and they lost significant downforce. The Wind Tunnel only really gives good information about straight line running with no other cars in front or behind them. Sure they can simulate this too but the limited time they have in the wind tunnel and with CFD time in the regulations mean this is generally not done or done very little.
 
The McLaren in 2020 I think was amazing in the wind tunnel but garbage on track. They eventually discovered that their idea of moving the bargeboards forwards, while seemingly logical, worked fantastically in the wind tunnel but on track meant that whenever they turned the wheels to actually go round corners the wake from the from wheels upset the airflow so much the extended bargeboards were useless and did nothing but cause drag and they lost significant downforce. The Wind Tunnel only really gives good information about straight line running with no other cars in front or behind them. Sure they can simulate this too but the limited time they have in the wind tunnel and with CFD time in the regulations mean this is generally not done or done very little.


Indeed and new rules only allowing wind tunnel models of 60% rather than full size, and a max wind speed of 50m/s or roughly 180kmh does not help even working out how a car fully behaves in a straight line, as obviously on track they can do 350kmh plus.

Remember years ago at one team I worked at, budget restraints meant we could only get good time in a tunnel that had a max speed of 50m/s, so about 110mph.

Model looked ok, and even scaling data suggested higher speeds on track should not cause concern.

But first on track test of full car, found massive understeer in high speed corners.

Further investigation in another wind tunnel that cost five times as much to hire, but generared much higher wind speeds, showed front wing was basically generating lift at over 130mph.

Unlikely a situation exactly like that will occur this year in F1, but limited time, on smaller models, and low speed fans, might possibly throw a few curve balls into the mix, when trying to consolidate data onto the full size cars once they get on track.
 
So I am very underwhelmed by all this for some reason, they all seem to have the same colour as last year and the launches just feel a bit meh.

I don't know but I may have an AD hangover, especially with latest bit of radio being published. I will watch every session I can but if Lewis doesn't absolutely walk it, I really won't care. Unless it's George but even then I'll be disappointed as Lewis should have 8.

Masi was really a small man in a big job and I suspect quite a few of them are now.
 
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