Poll: F1 2022 - Pre-season testing and discussion

Who will win the 2022 Formula 1 constructor's title ?


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Agreed on active suspension: it's too complex to introduce mid-season but the rules for suspension could easily be loosened. If the cars appear dangerous they will be forced to act.

Again even loosening rules on suspension would
be complex and unworkable in the short term.

The fact all this porpoiseing occurs at high speed, and there is no way to replicate that in wind tunnels under current rules, means any testing will have to be on track.

The simplest and easiest route for the FIA to go if they deem it dangerous, and want a fast simple easy to implement solution, is re introduction of a plank under the cars.

That forces everyone to run considerably higher ride heights, thus eliminating porpoiseing.

However, it will severely reduce the ground effect portion of downforce, so make the cars considerably slower, but would also most likely make overtaking under braking easier.
 
Lots of rumours that merc are bringing a car with "no sidepods" to the next test but it could just be mixed up with them drawings scarbs did of the alpine with no pods.


Really cannot see how that would work practically under current rules.

There is no where else to put radiators that would comply with current regs.
 
Again even loosening rules on suspension would
be complex and unworkable in the short term.

The fact all this porpoiseing occurs at high speed, and there is no way to replicate that in wind tunnels under current rules, means any testing will have to be on track.

They know why porpoiseing occurs even if they can't reproduce it in the wind tunnel. The thing they need to solve is a characteristic of the suspension so that it prevents the car from lowering too much. This is stuff they know how to do but are banned from using systems to implement. I don't agree that it is beyond them.

The simplest and easiest route for the FIA to go if they deem it dangerous, and want a fast simple easy to implement solution, is re introduction of a plank under the cars.

Radically altering the entire way that the aero systems of the cars have been designed to work is a much bigger intervention than allowing slightly more complicated suspension.

Really cannot see how that would work practically under current rules.

Indeed. It seems to be fiction created around someone taking a deliberately silly sketch seriously.
 
Really cannot see how that would work practically under current rules.

There is no where else to put radiators that would comply with current regs.

it seems scarbs did a drawing of the merc with no side pods recently and people could have gone with thinking thats the new car.
 
They know why porpoiseing occurs even if they can't reproduce it in the wind tunnel. The thing they need to solve is a characteristic of the suspension so that it prevents the car from lowering too much. This is stuff they know how to do but are banned from using systems to implement. I don't agree that it is beyond them.



Radically altering the entire way that the aero systems of the cars have been designed to work is a much bigger intervention than allowing slightly more complicated suspension.



Indeed. It seems to be fiction created around someone taking a deliberately silly sketch seriously.


I have already said the simplest easiest way to eliminate porpoiseing is increase ride height.

Job done it will be gone, and rest of aero still works exactly as before no alterations needed.

No team will do that, as it puts them at an immediate performance deficit to others.

But all teams having to do it equally, under FIA mandate, means everyone has similar deficits, so thus keeping equivalent performance parity as currently.

A plank is the simplest easiest way to achieve that, and be easily monitored.
 
I have already said the simplest easiest way to eliminate porpoiseing is increase ride height.

This isn't a solution; it's abandoning the redesign that F1 has been planning and working towards for years. I do not believe that they will simply abandon their ground effect plans like this. They need a solution for porpoising not a total surrender. It may be that the teams have already found solutions within the existing rules but, if not, the simplest way to do this is to remove some of the restrictions on the suspension so that the engineers can better control the way the suspension contracts under load so that it avoids the ride height dropping to a level were porpoising occurs. Remember that the new rules have massively decreased their design flexibility in this area; it's not new technology that they need, it's the ability to use technology that already exists.

Job done it will be gone, and rest of aero still works exactly as before no alterations needed.

The rest of the aero is designed to work with a car that gets most of its downforce from the underside. It is simply insufficient to make an F1 car work on its own.
 
This isn't a solution; it's abandoning the redesign that F1 has been planning and working towards for years. I do not believe that they will simply abandon their ground effect plans like this. They need a solution for porpoising not a total surrender. It may be that the teams have already found solutions within the existing rules but, if not, the simplest way to do this is to remove some of the restrictions on the suspension so that the engineers can better control the way the suspension contracts under load so that it avoids the ride height dropping to a level were porpoising occurs. Remember that the new rules have massively decreased their design flexibility in this area; it's not new technology that they need, it's the ability to use technology that already exists.



The rest of the aero is designed to work with a car that gets most of its downforce from the underside. It is simply insufficient to make an F1 car work on its own.


I have never said it is a permanent solution.

Nor is it a favourable solution.

Purely it is the simplest and easiest to implement in the short term, thus giving teams longer so sort the problem in other ways, without relaxing rules anywhere.

The aero on the rest of the car will work perfectly well, yes the cars wil be slower, yes they will slide more, but they will be perfectly safe, and possibly even give more exciting closer racing.

Also to be clear, I actually highly doubt the FIA will implement anything, unless the current porpoiseing is proven to be dangerous.

Let's see how this weeks testing goes, and most likely how the first race goes, as that will be the true test of how dangerous it might or might not be, when cars are full bore in anger.
 
I'd have thought the teams will ultimately add bump stops to limit suspension compression under load. It should stop the car getting low enough to stall in the first place.
 
Given all the rumours I’m very interested to see the merc that turns up to testing. Sounds like they’ll have almost no sidepods. That’ll gain a huge amount of time. With talk about their radical new engine layout and side impact tests, it certainly fits the rumour.
 
A bit slow today Captain? ;)

I'm not so sure. From what I've seen it people have seen Scarb's tongue in cheek sketch of the Alpine with no real sidepods and combined it with the real Mercedes (which already has tiny sidepods). It's seems there's been a lot of confusion and leg pulling which has somehow converged in rumours that Mercedes are going to unveil a car that sounds like it breaks the laws of physics.

From the picture above it's hard to see how they could make the sidepods any more compact. Unless there's a gaping hole underneath where the PU ought to be, it's hard to see them being able to make it any slimmer. I'd love to believe it from a technical point of view, but I just can't see how it can be much smaller than it is already.

There's a reason why Williams and McLaren formed a similar shape to the Mercedes (if not quite as extreme), while Aston Martin obviously chose to make a bulkier-looking car for aero purposes (somewhat worryingly for them as while there are other bulky cars, none are like the Aston - with talk from the launch of them readying a 'B' car).
 
A bit slow today Captain? ;)

I'm not so sure. From what I've seen it people have seen Scarb's tongue in cheek sketch of the Alpine with no real sidepods and combined it with the real Mercedes (which already has tiny sidepods). It's seems there's been a lot of confusion and leg pulling which has somehow converged in rumours.

From the picture above it's hard to see how they could make the sidepods any more compact. Unless there's a gaping hole underneath where the PU ought to be, it's hard to see them being able to make it any slimmer.

There's a reason why Williams and McLaren formed a similar shape to the Mercedes (if not quite as extreme), while Aston Martin obviously chose to make a bulkier-looking car for aero purposes (somewhat worryingly for them as while there are other bulky cars, none are like the Aston - with talk from the launch of them readying a 'B' car).

I’m barely following if I’m honest. Just came across the concept. I assume they’ll just have tiny side pods with a smaller inlet.
 
If anyone fancies a crazy good bet : Skybet have Haas to finish last in the constructors standing at 6/1..

6/1 for that absolute shower to come last again?! Yes please!
 
If anyone fancies a crazy good bet : Skybet have Haas to finish last in the constructors standing at 6/1..

6/1 for that absolute shower to come last again?! Yes please!

7/2 now, guessing lots jumped on that!

I kind of want them to do well from my underdog supporting side but that would've been worth a little punt at least.

I've got some free bets used up on Ferrari/Redbull/Mclaren to win the championship, all at much better odds than they're being offered now so feel I've done OK there :)
 
7/2 now, guessing lots jumped on that!

I kind of want them to do well from my underdog supporting side but that would've been worth a little punt at least.

I've got some free bets used up on Ferrari/Redbull/Mclaren to win the championship, all at much better odds than they're being offered now so feel I've done OK there :)

Even 7/2 is decent, I thought it would be around the evens mark!

Magnussen confirmed at Haas!
 
It's an odd one, i'd have expected Haas to be looking for a pay driver but i'm sure Magnussen left F1 because the only drives open to him needed sponsorship which he couldn't bring to the table.
 
KMag's a decent choice. I think Gio would have been better, but not by much. Piastri is obviously the best driver available but with him tied to Alpine, I think he'd have been a poor choice for Haas.

The big question is whether they can get him in the car for the test, he'll struggle if not given how different the new cars are.
 
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