F1 Testing 2014: Week 2 Bahrain

The difference is that the power unit RBR have tightly packaged so well for the last 5 years has been for the most part identical. This years is totally different. Given that adding a KERS battery into the V8 mix caused a headache that they never seemed to fully solve, I'd imagine the heavier, hotter, far more complicated power unit like the V6 keeps Newsy up at night!

From above shots of the RBR its rear end looks incredibly tight, tighter than anything I've seen before. I don't think its a coincidence that the one Renault team putting in serious miles is the one without an aggressive packaging solution and with much more cooling (Caterham).
 
Vergne (Toro Rosso) 32 laps
Gutierrez (Sauber) 20 laps
Rosberg (Mercedes) 18 laps
Alonso (Ferrari) 14 laps
Bottas (Williams) 12 laps
Hulkenberg (Force India) 11 laps
Chilton (Marussia) 10 laps
Magnussen (McLaren) 8 laps
Vettel (Red Bull) 4 laps
Kobayashi (Caterham) 2 laps
Grosjean (Lotus) 1 lap

The rb is still burning up.
 
Last edited:
Rear upgrades for the Merc

d31beaf7-0230-4233-b371-5635eae81fcf_800.jpg
 
Timesheets:
Alonso 1m37.700s
Hulkenberg 1m38.394s +0.694
Bottas 1m38.615s +0.915
Magnussen 1m39.958s +2.258
Vergne 1m40.609s +2.909
Rosberg 1m40.932s +3.232
Vettel 1m41.370s +3.670
Gutierrez 1m41.660s +3.960
Grosjean 1m41.670s +3.970
Chilton 1m42.511s +4.811
Kobayashi 1m48.079s +10.379

The Mercedes car shuts down on track. It's now back in the garage.
 
Last edited:
Andrew Benson (BBC):

"Hamilton's time from yesterday was very impressive.
Hulkenburg did his fastest lap on Soft tyres during a 3 lap stint, Alonso set his fastest lap on Mediums during an 8 lap stint,
Hamilton set his fastest lap at the start of an 18 lap stint on Hards" :eek:
 
09:45 Another red flag brings a halt to proceedings. Alonso, Vettel and Vergne on-track...

Bets please.

09:45 Alonso back in, so it's either the Red Bull or the Toro Rosso to blame.

09:46 Vettel returns safely to the pits, so it's Vergne's Toro Rosso that has caused the latest delay.

Not Vettel this time :D
 
Andrew Benson (BBC):

"Hamilton's time from yesterday was very impressive.
Hulkenburg did his fastest lap on Soft tyres during a 3 lap stint, Alonso set his fastest lap on Mediums during an 8 lap stint,
Hamilton set his fastest lap at the start of an 18 lap stint on Hards" :eek:

All that proves is the times are completely meaningless, the Mercedes isn't so far ahead that it can bang a very quick lap in on old hards. Nobodies really pushing yet.

Benson at his best.
 
Not sure why everyone seems so happy with unreliability, is anyone actually going to be happier with the best drivers losing a title because the cars fall apart anymore than they were happy with Vettel winning because they considered he had a car 0.75 faster than the rest of the grid.

The only thing I have liked from the last 6 years is the reliability, making it far less likely that a driver will lose a title being the fastest but having a car that's fragile.

My ideal scenario is Vettel had a car of the same pace as Mclaren or Mercedes or Ferrari or whoever and he had to prove his the fastest in the world. It will be so hollow to have him finish 8 races of the season. It would prove nothing again.
 
My ideal scenario is Vettel had a car of the same pace as Mclaren or Mercedes or Ferrari or whoever and he had to prove his the fastest in the world. It will be so hollow to have him finish 8 races of the season. It would prove nothing again.

There would however be a different champion, which I think is what a lot of fans are now wanting. Even if it went to the last lap of the last race, however exciting that would be, it would be slightly disheartening to see Vettel win a 5th straight title.
 
So far only Mercedes or Ferrari have done a practice start. The rest have a lot of catching up to do.
 
All that proves is the times are completely meaningless, the Mercedes isn't so far ahead that it can bang a very quick lap in on old hards. Nobodies really pushing yet.

Benson at his best.

Errm, that info was suggesting the Merc was effectively way out ahead of everyone, not far behind. Whole point was 3 laps of fuel vs 18 laps will be over a second difference in times easily, add to that the slowest tyre, and you have another second, add to that wanting the tyres to go 18 laps vs 3, another second + .

I had a look around for that info yesterday but couldn't see it but I suspected that Merc had been well into their long run testing, being the first team to hit that point in Jerez.


As for unreliability, it's not so much the title as the prospect of anyone dominating from start to finish is less likely with reliability problems.

If every driver didn't finish 1/3rd of their races last year, then depending on the races Red Bull could have dropped enough points to at least make it a fight throughout the year. People are just bored of the "oh, Red Bull are better than everyone already, and we know half way through the year they'll destroy everyone even more" scenario. UNpredictable season in which the winner of every race isn't an almost certainty, yes please.


I did say a lot last year that I felt Webber's issues were more down to overheating than bad luck. Simply being the slower of the cars meant he was in dirty hotter air than Vettel, so he had more kers failures and more other failures, he was pushing the car harder at higher rev's to pass people with DRS, etc. Vettel had way more issues with failures the few times he was following people rather than leading the way. I always felt the RBR was borderline overheating last year, but they seemingly haven't taken that on board, haven't learnt from their kers failures and in a year with massively hotter engine parts they have done no where near enough to rectify their problem.
 
Not sure why everyone seems so happy with unreliability, is anyone actually going to be happier with the best drivers losing a title because the cars fall apart anymore than they were happy with Vettel winning because they considered he had a car 0.75 faster than the rest of the grid.

I would be. It is as much a development war as anything else and Red Bull made good use of the situation whilst others were battling for a championship and have been ahead ever since. Now that we have finally had a rule change shortly after they themselves were fighting to win a championship, I am keen to see how they respond. If they are unable to then hopefully it might shut them up. I also want to see Vettel getting super grumpy (and how he deals with it on track).
 
The attraction of unreliability is that it makes races worth watching beyond the first lap.

Over the last 10-15 years the cars have become so reliable that a mechanical failure is considered a freak event. The tracks have so much run off that a driver has next to no chance of putting himself out of the race by driving off the road and blue flags have put an end to back markers causing the leaders to bunch up.

Quite frankly all the 'random' variables have gone. 99% of the time the quickest guy will put the car on pole, he'll have a second or two lead at the end of the first lap and he'll cruise to victory. You may as well switch off after the start, the result is predictable.

With unreliability comes the chance that the guy 20 seconds ahead might not finish the race. Everything could change without warning at any minute. That keeps people glued to their TV because they don't want to miss anything.
 
Errm, that info was suggesting the Merc was effectively way out ahead of everyone, not far behind. Whole point was 3 laps of fuel vs 18 laps will be over a second difference in times easily, add to that the slowest tyre, and you have another second, add to that wanting the tyres to go 18 laps vs 3, another second + .

Not sure what point you're making, and think you've misunderstood mine :confused:
 
There would however be a different champion, which I think is what a lot of fans are now wanting. Even if it went to the last lap of the last race, however exciting that would be, it would be slightly disheartening to see Vettel win a 5th straight title.

If it went to the last lap of the last race it would be utterly crushing, as Vettel would only have won due to the new double-points rule. This would be the second consecutive year in which a major rules change benefiting Red Bull was the only reason he won the title.
 
I can't wait for the first start of the season. Vettel coming to a stop on the grid..... then Charlie doing the longest red 5 lights yet, and the RBR catching fire before the race starts :p

Stewart-Ford in Melbourne 1999. Herbert caught fire on the grid. Aborted start. Barrichello then caught fire on the line too.



Not sure why everyone seems so happy with unreliability, is anyone actually going to be happier with the best drivers losing a title because the cars fall apart anymore than they were happy with Vettel winning because they considered he had a car 0.75 faster than the rest of the grid.

It's more the potential for surprises in the races. It doesn't happen anymore when the leader is forced into retirement through a failure. A couple of times for Hamilton and once for Vettel is all I can recently recall (there'll be other occasions, but none really stand out).

The reliability will soon settle down, so it's unlikely to have any real affect on the titles after this season (if it affects this season at all).
 
Vergne (Toro Rosso) 53 laps
Bottas (Williams) 50 laps
Alonso (Ferrari) 49 laps
Gutierrez (Sauber) 48 laps
Vettel (Red Bull) 34 laps
Rosberg (Mercedes) 34 laps
Kobayashi (Caterham) 29 laps
Hulkenberg (Force India) 24 laps
Grosjean (Lotus) 15 laps
Chilton (Marussia) 14 laps
Magnussen (McLaren) 11 lap
 
Love unreliability.
A) it makes it more exciting. "anything happens in GP racing and it usually does" hasn't happened recently.
B) and more important for me, it shows they are actually pushing the technology boundaries, again something that has not happened for years. F1 is meant to be the top, it can't be the top when everything is so undercooked it never fails.
 
Did Benson give birth to Lewis? :rolleyes:

Anyway, what were the Merc red flags for this morning?
 
Back
Top Bottom