People have short memories when it comes to stuff like this and news headlines
I wonder what sort of special treatment Renault will get
F1 Testing 2014: Week 3 Bahrain
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People have short memories when it comes to stuff like this and news headlines
I wonder what sort of special treatment Renault will get
Merc's engine covers are have a massive hole at the back now to help with cooling.
I know it's not the same but if you build a pc and it runs ok but when you put the side panels on
and it starts over heating. Is that the fault of the mobo\cpu or the case and cooling? It's basically the same principle.
I remember when Horner said about the engine and I posted here before the test "bet newey packs it to tight again"
Bianchi (Marussia) 47
Ericsson (Caterham) 42
Hulkenberg (Force India) 33
Massa (Williams) 30
Kvyat (Toro Rosso) 28
Magnussen (McLaren) 13
Raikkonen (Ferrari) 9
Rosberg (Mercedes) 3
Sutil (Sauber) 1
Vettel (Red Bull) 1 (half of the lap done on the back of a truck)
Grosjean (Lotus) 1
vimto is out...............and makes it to the end of the pit lane
Ericsson (Caterham) 42
Hulkenberg (Force India) 33
Massa (Williams) 30
Kvyat (Toro Rosso) 28
Magnussen (McLaren) 13
Raikkonen (Ferrari) 9
Rosberg (Mercedes) 3
Sutil (Sauber) 1
Vettel (Red Bull) 1 (half of the lap done on the back of a truck)
Grosjean (Lotus) 1
vimto is out...............and makes it to the end of the pit lane
Red bull clearly have
But it just seems more than that.
I'm definitely putting a bet on for low finishers for aus
I thought apart from the engine, the recovery system and batteries was the same in every car?
And I think rb designed a part of the car they all use. I bet if you take of the engine covers the Renault cars would run all day long.
Do you remember when McLaren first got the merc engines and they kept blowing up? guess who designed the car.
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I'm not convinced things will be that bad. I think a lot of the stops on track in pre-season testing have been precautionary. There's been so many sensor issues reported, and plenty of instances where a car has stopped on track, but it's only taken 30 minutes to get it back on track - that will nearly always just be something which has looked dodgy on the data and they wanted to check it out - clearly it's not a fundamental problem if the car is only in the garage for 30 minutes.
We've had a few more heat-related issues in this 3rd test, but teams are bolting on bits to make the cars go faster now - come Melbourne, teams will go out of their way to make sure the cars are just finishing (hoping to pick up points at the expense of teams which are running closer to the edge).
I think in terms of reliability, we'll get 14-17 cars not breaking down in Melbourne... but I guess we'll have a large field spread. We're certainly not going to have a Monaco 1996 race, where only 3 cars finished.
I think it's safe to assume it's never that simple, we would've seen more progress from the Renault teams otherwise.
Just heat.
"GARY ANDERSON: "The levels that the world championship-winning Red Bull team is having to go to to get the cooling of the RB10 under control are confusing me."
"The last time I remember having to carve up bodywork and make some emergency ducting was with Jordan and the Yamaha engine back in 1992 in South Africa."
"Basically, it was just a heat generating device and we struggled to get the oil temperature under control. The strange thing - and it amazed me - was that we went on to finish the race. Surely times have moved on since then?"
It would seem that the issues with Vettel this morning are more than just heat - he only made it 4 corners before stopping, then only to the end of the pit lane. It wouldn't have had enough time to get hot enough!
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It's certainly not just heat. If it was simply overheating each time, it would have made it further than the pit-lane exit.
I assume the answer is as simple as they're starting to encounter the issues other teams had once they actually started getting laps under their belts.
All the teams have had niggles - Red Bull will be having them too.
Red Flag=Marussia. Just when Nico was doing 1.38s on a full tank of fuel 
And Ferrari have a connector issue and won't be back on track till after launch.
rb had electronics problems that's why they stopped, now they have to recharge the batteries
And Ferrari have a connector issue and won't be back on track till after launch.
rb had electronics problems that's why they stopped, now they have to recharge the batteries
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1. Massa Williams FW36 1:37.224 48 PIT
2. Hulkenberg Force India VJM07 1:38.000 +0.776 42 PIT
3. Rosberg Mercedes GP W05 1:38.557 +1.333 22
4. Kvyat Toro Rosso STR9 1:39.297 +2.073 41 PIT
5. Magnussen McLaren MP4-29 1:40.252 +3.028 24
6. Räikkönen Ferrari F14 T 1:41.542 +4.318 9
7. Ericsson Caterham CT05 1:41.849 +4.625 69 PIT
8. Bianchi Marussia F1 Team MR03 1:41.889 +4.665 55 PIT
9. Grosjean Lotus E22 1:42.166 +4.942 16
10. Vettel Red Bull Racing RB10 No time 1 PIT
11. Sutil Sauber C33 No time 1 PIT
12. Kobayashi Caterham CT05 No time 0 PIT
The back end is really closed compared to the Merc cars. No wonder they got heat problems.
2. Hulkenberg Force India VJM07 1:38.000 +0.776 42 PIT
3. Rosberg Mercedes GP W05 1:38.557 +1.333 22
4. Kvyat Toro Rosso STR9 1:39.297 +2.073 41 PIT
5. Magnussen McLaren MP4-29 1:40.252 +3.028 24
6. Räikkönen Ferrari F14 T 1:41.542 +4.318 9
7. Ericsson Caterham CT05 1:41.849 +4.625 69 PIT
8. Bianchi Marussia F1 Team MR03 1:41.889 +4.665 55 PIT
9. Grosjean Lotus E22 1:42.166 +4.942 16
10. Vettel Red Bull Racing RB10 No time 1 PIT
11. Sutil Sauber C33 No time 1 PIT
12. Kobayashi Caterham CT05 No time 0 PIT
The back end is really closed compared to the Merc cars. No wonder they got heat problems.
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Yeah, but how awesome is the Red bull's aero down the pitlane, ain't no one as smooth down the pitlane as that car............
Seriously, most other cars adapted to the new engines, RBR seem the worst.
Renault engines are/were having trouble but the majority of them seemed to be software you could hear it when the renault cars went around the track in the first test, coughing/spluttering/dodgy sounds. But that side of the car has seeming improved loads. There is really only two big budget Renault teams and one has been a semi screw up for the past year and missed the first test. One of the lowest budget teams put on huge cooling and has had almost no issues.
Can't help but think RBR walked into this problem head on assuming they were just better than everyone else so the same rules don't apply, arrogance? I don't know, but seems very silly to be this bad in testing and potentially cost yourself so much of the season.
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So Ferrari, Merc, several other teams have brought along better cooling engine covers for Bahrain/hotter races, almost everyone can see temp issues and they are all solving them but Red Bull, stubborn, or arrogant, seem to think they don't need to?
Other Renault teams have had problems but they've moved on and improved from the first test dramatically where Red Bull haven't. Lotus had almost caught Red bull in laps in test 2, Caterham are having a bit of a laugh at the other Renault teams in terms of amount of running done. TR are racking up the laps and Lotus aren't doing too badly.
It's looking more and more like Red Bull are going to end up having to make fairly significant changes to the car, bigger side pods, engine covers with more venting and they've just stubbornly refused to do it yet.
Thing is with the way the car is I'm not even convinced they'll get a lot of running done at Melbourne. Less than 1.5 days of testing left and they not only haven't come close to a race distance test, they can still barely get out of the pits.
Other Renault teams have had problems but they've moved on and improved from the first test dramatically where Red Bull haven't. Lotus had almost caught Red bull in laps in test 2, Caterham are having a bit of a laugh at the other Renault teams in terms of amount of running done. TR are racking up the laps and Lotus aren't doing too badly.
It's looking more and more like Red Bull are going to end up having to make fairly significant changes to the car, bigger side pods, engine covers with more venting and they've just stubbornly refused to do it yet.
Thing is with the way the car is I'm not even convinced they'll get a lot of running done at Melbourne. Less than 1.5 days of testing left and they not only haven't come close to a race distance test, they can still barely get out of the pits.
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Nah, there just sandbagging...
So looks like RBR have given up completely, not much more than an hour left. Lotus have stopped for the day and their message seems to suggest they don't think Vettel is going back out for the day.
Rosberg/Merc lost a huge amount of time this morning changing an engine, after 6 days running and a huge amount of mileage and they have still done 75+ laps today. Red Bull managed 0.5 laps....... Caterham 90, TR 50, Lotus 33, Red bull... 0.5
A week ago I wondered if they could finish anywhere in the top 6 at Melbourne, after this test I'm more wondering if they'll finish the race.... heck, I'm wondering if the car will survive Q1.
I actually half at one stage semi seriously thought.... this could be the most ultimately hilarious sandbagging ever, so disgustingly sure of their car, they just spent the test slowing everyone else down with multiple red flags and being in the way
latest post on autosport (13:23 for reference later) was rather brilliant.
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