F1 Testing 2015: Week 1 Jerez

Very impressive day from Mercedes. :eek:

Pretty good for everyone really, except McLaren.

Surprised that after *almost* running the MP4-29H at the test at the end of last year, and being stumped with electronic issues, they still haven't got them resolved.

Alonso said a couple of weeks ago that he wasn't expecting wins this year, can't say I blame him after today. God it's hard to be a McLaren fan sometimes.
 
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Because McLaren have an exclusivity agreement for at least the first year? Not sure if it was Ron's idea or Honda only wanting to deal with one team or what but it's there.

I suspect it's something to do with Ron, ego, arrogance and well, the reason Mclaren really aren't competitive any more. Honda say they are back in F1 for good and it was a mistake to leave, they are right. Being back in for good doesn't really suit(financially) being a one car team. Honda have their name to think of, there is no upside really for them to work only with Mclaren long term and no reason short term either.

More data = their engine looking better and being more reliable sooner, the longer they struggle the less competent they look so IMHO Honda would want to come out strong with more teams on board.
 
Very impressive day from Mercedes. :eek:

Pretty good for everyone really, except McLaren.

Surprised that after *almost* running the MP4-29H at the test at the end of last year, and being stumped with electronic issues, they still haven't got them resolved.

Alonso said a couple of weeks ago that he wasn't expecting wins this year, can't say I blame him after today. God it's hard to be a McLaren fan sometimes.

Thing that is quite odd is, his stance on the livery, pay us. The team has fans, sponsors like bigger teams with more fans. doing something to really make the fans happy and be a fan friendly team is financially good business. Acting like a rich spoiled brat isn't exactly encouraging fans as you say, hard to be a Mclaren fan sometimes. I think if Mclaren had gone red/white, regardless of the petty arguments of whose colour was actually what and when a colour got added... the fans would love it, I'd love it, everyone would love it but Ron is too stubborn to appeal to the fans.

I'm sure some people would like Mclaren more if they made that change and I'm sure merchandise wise they'd make a killing in red/white Mclaren kit.
 
I suspect it's something to do with Ron, ego, arrogance and well, the reason Mclaren really aren't competitive any more. Honda say they are back in F1 for good and it was a mistake to leave, they are right. Being back in for good doesn't really suit(financially) being a one car team. Honda have their name to think of, there is no upside really for them to work only with Mclaren long term and no reason short term either.

More data = their engine looking better and being more reliable sooner, the longer they struggle the less competent they look so IMHO Honda would want to come out strong with more teams on board.

which they're doing next year because the exclusivity only lasts for this season with Mclaren. Who knows, maybe the Honda engine really is a "jewel" of machinery which might attract other teams next year, we simply don't know yet how good the engine is, or the aero and chassis on the Mclaren, for that matter. Far too much doom mongering on thee very first day of testing imo, it's a bit silly really.
 
I think you'll find I'm not dooming the engine before it's been shown, just using logical arguments stating both best and worst case possibilities. Worst case is they have as bad a test as RBR last year but without the other 3 teams(2 in the first test) doing laps either, meaning their worst case is significantly worse than RBR's last year. The best case is they have really pretty good testing which lets say would be averaging 30 laps a day this test, maybe 60-70 a day in the other two tests. This is quite clearly less than any other engine did or can achieve because it is still a single car.

Regardless of best or worst case scenario they will lack significant data, running, bug funding than any other team.

Think about last year, maybe RBR have an electrical fault and so do TR, but it's a different fault, two engineering teams help find it and a Renault team in both garages help. They find both bugs and fix them, but for both teams the fix from the other cars engine gets applied to their team also. So they don't run into that bug next time they go out and lose another several hours tracking it down.

Even if the Honda is a great engine, Mclaren are going to even in the very best case, lack a huge amount of track time compared to every other team in regards to the engine, worst case as said, will be far far worse than what RBR faced.

I don't think anyone can sensibly disagree with that. There will also be a chance, however infinitesimally small, that Honda from tomorrow onwards have every single bug and electrical fault found, Mclaren to, and run perfectly with zero reliability problems to the end of the season. I don't think anyone would sensibly disagree with me that situation is so extremely unlikely as to be discounted entirely.

Factor in the car as well, when the car has faults, not the engine itself(as we're told today) they lost hours and hours of running. Even a perfect fault free engine could end up barely running due to other issues with the car itself, a crash, an electrical fault, a fuel pump dying, suspension breaking, etc, etc.
 
I think you'll find I'm not dooming the engine before it's been shown, just using logical arguments stating both best and worst case possibilities. Worst case is they have as bad a test as RBR last year but without the other 3 teams(2 in the first test) doing laps either, meaning their worst case is significantly worse than RBR's last year. The best case is they have really pretty good testing which lets say would be averaging 30 laps a day this test, maybe 60-70 a day in the other two tests. This is quite clearly less than any other engine did or can achieve because it is still a single car.

Regardless of best or worst case scenario they will lack significant data, running, bug funding than any other team.

Think about last year, maybe RBR have an electrical fault and so do TR, but it's a different fault, two engineering teams help find it and a Renault team in both garages help. They find both bugs and fix them, but for both teams the fix from the other cars engine gets applied to their team also. So they don't run into that bug next time they go out and lose another several hours tracking it down.

Even if the Honda is a great engine, Mclaren are going to even in the very best case, lack a huge amount of track time compared to every other team in regards to the engine, worst case as said, will be far far worse than what RBR faced.

I don't think anyone can sensibly disagree with that. There will also be a chance, however infinitesimally small, that Honda from tomorrow onwards have every single bug and electrical fault found, Mclaren to, and run perfectly with zero reliability problems to the end of the season. I don't think anyone would sensibly disagree with me that situation is so extremely unlikely as to be discounted entirely.

Factor in the car as well, when the car has faults, not the engine itself(as we're told today) they lost hours and hours of running. Even a perfect fault free engine could end up barely running due to other issues with the car itself, a crash, an electrical fault, a fuel pump dying, suspension breaking, etc, etc.

Are Mclaren-Honda expecting to win the world title this year? The answer is no, not one employee will tell you that they are... so I don't see why your point is valid, they've come off the back of two/three horrible seasons, and now have an entirely new challenge, far greater than they've faced in a long time... I think it's more a learning year with the scope to hopefully snatch a few podiums, and you never know, maybe even a win... you write as if they are up ****'s creek because they must be winning races this year or something, when that isn't even the case, that's the long term objective from the team, but at present its about laying down the foundations....

Look at Merc in their first couple of years back on the grid, they went through a HUGE rebuilding phase from being no where....

A) Getting the best drivers they could
B) Hiring the best personnel they could
C) Spending years putting that together
D) Being successful as a result of A, B and C.

Sound familiar?

The advantage that Mclaren have is that they understand what went wrong with the car last year, as Mark Hughes and Scarbs have factually pointed out, they have a clear understanding of why the car wasn't balanced for front-turn-in and how they went wrong with the butterfly suspension creating too much drag.

The car looks a HECK of a lot tighter this year, if we can get through some laps without any over heating that's a big accomplishment. There are some nifty aero tweaks, and the car looks a lot more aggressive, and quick, ultimately.

They also understand how the V6 engine works from last year, the Honda is an improvement on it, but it's not as though they've been building the engine from scratch with no idea as to what should make it as powerful as possible... they have all the data from the Merc engine, and have had it for a long time, so they've been able to build on it and increase the performance window.

Allied with a revised chassis and aero design from Peter Prodromou and his team and there is potential for this car.
 
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Hamilton (Mercedes) 42
Nasr (Sauber) 33
Vettel (Ferrari) 31
Verstappen (Toro Rosso) 25
Bottas (Williams) 16
Kvyat (Red Bull) 7
Maldonado (Lotus) 6
Button (McLaren) 2
 
Autosport:
10:49 JONATHAN NOBLE has just been speaking to Red Bull team boss Christian Horner about the RB11 running without a front wing.

Kvyat damaged the only wing Red Bull has here at Jerez, so the team is carrying out very basic work that is can complete without one while a spare is flown out.

There's no guarantee that the new spare will make it to Spain in time to allow the team to do any more proper running today, so everyone at Red Bull is having to cross their fingers.
 
^Brilliant :D

Horner says the livery will be different in Melbourne which is no surprise, but will be "even stronger. It's great to do something different. Wait and see..."
 
73 laps for Lewis so far. Wonder if he'll beat Romberg's lap count and set another world record?
 
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