F1 Testing week 2 @ Jerez
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Soldato
You realise this is in addition to all those you listed. So we are adding another layer of artificiallity (i know that's not a word)
I wouldn't mind so much if the tyres offered more grip, but they don't. They degrade quicker and don't offer any extra grip.
Bridgestone must be laughing
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Confirmed.
Soldato
The big shark fins that we had last year which reached back to the rear wing are banned - mostly to preven the use of an F-duct type system.
However there is still an allowance in the rules for a small shark fin - which is what the Red Bull had when they launched it.
However there is still an allowance in the rules for a small shark fin - which is what the Red Bull had when they launched it.
I can see Button being further off Hamiltons pace this year having to get used to the Kers while his team mate already ran it for a year. He will get used to it in testing but having a full year will be such an advantage when theres also the moveable wing to consider as well.
Surely it would have been better to introduce those items a year apart.
Surely it would have been better to introduce those items a year apart.
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Actually think the Kers might effect/help button more, just because of his style of driving.
Why? Because Button's all about doing the same lap over and over, repeatable, he's not an overtaking demon, nor a speed king, he's rather dull. Hamilton is a speed king, he's all about overtaking, Kers will be for him, mostly about overtaking.
So Button will be finding the best spots on the lap to most effective improve his time every lap and using it consistantly while Hamilton is more likely to be up someones backside and using Kers to try to pass other cars, which often won't be at the best times for actual lap times.
We'll see though, it depends how overtaking is this year, kers and new back wings, and lots of other changes, and potentially utterly rubbish tires. Will everyone find it easier to overtake, or way way harder, or equally as ridiculous as last season, thats something to be seen. If Kers + back wing changes make slipstreaming less terrible and passing easier, then the advantage might swing back to Hamilton. If slipstreaming WITHOUT Kers is improved so Kers becomes better for overall lap time rather than a boost for overtaking, maybe it will benefit Button.
I don't think the actual fact of pressing a button for a little more speed is going to trouble Button because Hamilton has pressed a button with the Kers label on it more than Button
What we need to see from tires is, was it the first race last year, or a couple races in that had Button doing badly, Webber/Hamilton doing great, and they did an extra pitstop as their tires weren't great and they wanted to push on.
What they expected was everyones tires would degrade and everyone would stop, or at the least the new tires would offer a big enough speed advantage, over continually slowing older tires, to allow the pitstop to be worthwhile overall. Thats what we need, for that to have worked, where drivers have the option with 25 laps to go, to get new tires, in a 20 second pitstop, but be 2 seconds a lap faster for every remaining lap, and for passing to be hugely easier.
Last season the tires didn't degrade enough and new tires didn't offer enough advantage. A second pitstop needs to become a viable strategy, so some people try to hold track position with slower cars and other people try a new set and to burn back up to the front fast.
Caporegime
Since Hamilton beat Button at Canada, I'm not sure why we should expect these tyres to aid Jenson?
but then Hamilton COULD (rather than will) get hurt by tyres that so far degrade faster if you thrash them initially
Remember beginning of last year - everyone expected LH to thrash JB, yet nothing of the sort happened......so you could be completely wrong
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Does he not hot the record for consecutive race finishes?
His 2007 and 2008 seasons were pretty good (5th and 6th respectively in the WDC) plenty of podiums. He beat Kubica in the same car in 2007.
beside, who else is there?
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Caporegime
The people who've set the F1 world alight have race seats already.
Heidfeld has a pretty decent race record, a vast amount of experience and a reputation for reliability. That makes him a decent choice as a stand-in driver.
Soldato
I hope Heidfeld gets some race pace but I really hope Senna gets the seat.
And does anyone else think that Heidfeld looks like Barry Gibb
And does anyone else think that Heidfeld looks like Barry Gibb
Because there isn't really anyone better who hasn't already secured themselves a proper drive with another team? (That would also be willing to drive for a midfield team, ie. Kimi is better but he's not going to return to F1 as a fill in drive for Group Lotus Renault in a million years)
He's a solid dependable driver with lots of experience who knows how things work, he'll bring the car home and often in the points if the car is capable - he's pretty much the ideal seat filler for if you lose one of your main men.
Some teams may be more willing to try a rookie if it's their #2 they lose but not many teams will want to risk having two rookies in a car, especially if they're a midfield team and need to be getting good development feedback and such like as well dependable race finishes.