F1 - Then vs. Now
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Yep, i get the bit about dirty air....what i dont get is why people would want it back.
Wasnt ground effect banned because its quite unpredictable and allows cornering speeds to increase massively?
Surely this splits the teams further....on one hand you will have the teams that are really good at the aero stuff (Redbull?) and the other hand the teams that can produce a very fast car in a straight line (Mercedes maybe?)
Isnt all this taking us away from the greater mechanical grip that is surely required and more down the aero route?
Wasnt ground effect banned because its quite unpredictable and allows cornering speeds to increase massively?
Surely this splits the teams further....on one hand you will have the teams that are really good at the aero stuff (Redbull?) and the other hand the teams that can produce a very fast car in a straight line (Mercedes maybe?)
Isnt all this taking us away from the greater mechanical grip that is surely required and more down the aero route?
You have no evidence to back that up, which companies would come onboard if they totally opened up kers?
Honda/Toyota etc would be able to do their own test work and R and D far more efficiently, cheaper and faster than being in F1.
Recovering energy from an F1 car under braking is not going to bear any resemblance to what would be needed in a road car.
It was assumed lots of companies and sponsors would come onboard for hondas earth green balls, no one was interested.
I really don't see companies flocking to F1 due to Kers or opening up engine developement again. It's rumoured that there are already questions being asked at mercedes over their team ownership, I doubt spending more on R and D for new engines and developement is high up on the suits list of priorities.
No no resemblance at all, nothing to do with batteries, electrical control system, energy capture. Nothing at all related to cars.
There are loads of companies interested in kers and it's components. They would probably be new companies not just your typical porsche, Honda, Nissan etc.
Of course no one got on board with Honda as f1 rules would not allow anything.
There are loads of companies interested in kers and it's components. They would probably be new companies not just your typical porsche, Honda, Nissan etc.
Of course no one got on board with Honda as f1 rules would not allow anything.
Dude, green (motor vehicle) technology is a MASSIVE area of development. If a company could come out with a car which uses radically less fuel (petrol/electricity) and costs less to run, this will help boost sales massively. Obviously, your typical sports car buyer isn't likely to be swayed by a "green" car, but people who want to buy a typical family saloon certainly will.
Fuel/petrol is only going to increase with time and as such, green technologies will come into play and become viable. At present, the people who are buying green cars are in the minority, but once fuel the financial incentives for green cars becomes irresistible, there will be a massive shift.
Technologies like KERS will be massive, if it could have a significant effect on the MPG of a car (engine). You could look at adding solar panels to various places on a car (obviously solar panel technology needs to come down in price) and also some drag reduction systems could be developed, so that at high speeds, the car changes shape to reduce drag and fuel consumption (I saw an advert on the telly today, with exactly this technology).
Fuel saving technologies are going to be HUGE.
The question is would companies want to develop these technologies behind closed doors or by sponsoring sports teams.
Answer: Both. You forget that by having your name pinned to the side of an F1 (or any other sports) car, you are improving brand awareness and you are advertising. I can't think of any other media, with the exception of F1, where cars tour the entire planet. If a company can afford to sponsor an F1 team and also wants global advertising, an F1 car is perfect.
So, if you develop a green technology with an F1 team, you are not only advertising your brand on a global scale, but you are also developing the technology which could be used on road cars, which in turn could improve MPG figures, which in turn will almost certainly improve car/vehicle sales.
Can someone explain how the monkey is riding that mini motorcycle?
I've seen human being struggle to ride a moped, how the hell is a monkey riding it. WTF is going on here?
Are we going to see monkeys driving cars soon? Perhaps we could each buy a monkey as a pet and use it as a chaffeur to drive us around town.
Man, that is crazy. Absolutely bonkers.
I think they should just say, your car has to fit within this box, and weigh no more than xxxkg. Maintain open wheel, open cockpit, and say it has to be kubica-canada safe and just see what the teams come up with.
Remember that car that decided to have 4 front wheels instead of two, with current regulations it would be completely impossible to have innovation like that.
Remember that car that decided to have 4 front wheels instead of two, with current regulations it would be completely impossible to have innovation like that.
I think you've just demonstrated perfectly how people exaggerate when it comes to F1 'in the old days'. Considering most of your list wasn't racing ten years ago (the DFV last raced in 1985!) and you have just printed off a set of random F1 engines, many of which weren't racing in the same year, to try and prove a point hoping that no one would realise. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you meant to put 20 years ago, but even then there was no single year that all those engines raced together, some up to six years apart. You can't use that as an example and then compare it to one specific year like 2011.
I've been watching F1 since the 80s, I don't think it's a lot worse now - we just have a lot more ways to be entertained these days rather than three TV channels. I remember in the 90s people saying how terrible F1 was compared to the 80s and 70s yet we have people here posting videos saying how good the 90s were. In the 2020s we'll hear how good F1 was in the 2000s and 2010s.
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Taking off the rose tinted specs, I actually think that the first 3 races of this season have been better than most of the opening 3 races of any season that I can remember. The only thing lacking so far this year, is vitriol/argument/hatred between drivers. So, at present F1 is lacking "spice". If we could get some of that, then 2011 could be one of the best seasons ever (from my perspective).
During the MSc domination, unless you were an MSc fan, that was probably quite a boring few years.
I think people must remember that the style of racing has changed over the years. Its not better. Its not worse. Its just different and the drivers and spectators have to adapt.
During the MSc domination, unless you were an MSc fan, that was probably quite a boring few years.
I think people must remember that the style of racing has changed over the years. Its not better. Its not worse. Its just different and the drivers and spectators have to adapt.
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As the batteries are changed each race I think your sarcasm tone actually is exactly why car OEM's dont care for it. The application is totally different - no warranty implications being the very first thing to strike out.
Panasonic and Sanyo linkup to product Primeearth is where Honda and Toyota get there batteries from anyway, and Nissan is LG.
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To coin the phrase 'dude'
Dude, that stuff has been know about for years, its just now that it makes business sense to include it in the cars purely due to costs and shifting products down the tax bands legislated by the CO2 emissions on the NEDC. It has nothing to do with providing the 'best' solutions, just the most finacially robust products to offer joe bloggs and his buying habits/drivers.
i always remember the late 90's as my favorite years , maybe its rose tinted specs but some of the videos on youtube of that period show some pretty good racing aswell, the last few seasons seem a bit to boring and china will have been a one off now everyone will try to 3 stop at the next race.
i think the biggest issue for me is the cars dont look alive they seem so easy and tame go look at some of the older videos and you can clearly see when someone is going all out and driving the car on its limit, these days everything looks so controlled
i think the biggest issue for me is the cars dont look alive they seem so easy and tame go look at some of the older videos and you can clearly see when someone is going all out and driving the car on its limit, these days everything looks so controlled
Exactly.
F1 is not a test bed project anymore, people that think it is need to get out of the 80's and 90's. That's if it ever was a test bed which is highly doubtable.
How does developing Kers for a 200mph race car have any bearing on a car breaking from 30 mph to zero. Absolutely none and the amount of batteries carried will be nothing like the same. F1 Kers developement won't have any bearing on road car use other than to make the sport look more in touch.
If this was the 80's there might be some interest in developing this stuff with 80/90's budgets.
The fact is the budgets are upwards of 200 million. That alone makes companies not bother when they have limited testing and they have their own test tracks to actually apply this to road car use. Plus F1 does not sell cars, so the applications for returns from sponsorship and not worth the investment next to quicker returns on your own test track.
people like ferrari are if they do it to sell cars and mclaren.
people like mercedes who sell cars the average person can afford get more than there monies worth out of TV coverage.
advertising costs money ,f1 is pretty cheap for advertising your brand seeing as its world wide showed in pretty much every country in the world.
people like mercedes who sell cars the average person can afford get more than there monies worth out of TV coverage.
advertising costs money ,f1 is pretty cheap for advertising your brand seeing as its world wide showed in pretty much every country in the world.
I wouldn't say it is cheap, but I would say that it is about the only sport which is viewed globally, throughout the year. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any sport which falls in this category.
If you are a company looking to advertise globally, an F1 car is a fantastic place to display your company name.
If you are a company looking to advertise globally, an F1 car is a fantastic place to display your company name.
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i would like to see a single plain frontwing with just end plates
none of those silly little winglets that we see more n more of every race
none of those silly little winglets that we see more n more of every race