***FA Cup QF and Premier League 7th March***

You would think so wouldn't you? Can't believe some people on here. Park is a great player to have and was crucial to our Champions League victory last year.

The difference is the percentage of utility players is a lot lower at Utd than Liverpool and especially Arsenal currently, but with experience Arsenal are capable of more with the same squad than Liverpool (if allowed the time)

Chelsea are a little different as they have quality players all over the pitch that can stand up to a few games but maybe not a full season just because of their age and capacity

Man Utd v Everton - I think Utd where lucky!!!! (Apr 18th/19th)

hmmm has Saha actually been bought yet or is he still on loan?

edit - Arsena/Hull vs Chelsea (obviously lol)
 
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Damn, Chelsea are very different opponents compared to when we played them...

Essien and Carvalho are nearing full fitness but Anelka is struggling with an ankle injury so squad wise we're the same, the big difference is mentality and particularly that of Drogba who's off the rag now and starting to bully defenders again. If Joe Cole was fit I'd have some faith in the team but having to play Malouda against your peers is still a big handicap.
 
If Chelsea are bang in form Essien can get into form quickly then, our current central midfield pair will be eaten alive. Lets be honest and realistic here, we drew 4 games in a row where our midfield was completely ineffective. We won against a very poor roma who aren't that good and Totti was playing with a niggling injury and almost didn't start the game afaik and was completely annonymous throughout. We've won against Cardiff, and Burnley, West Brom and really it was only the game today we controlled midfield but still not that well.

I think we'll find it very very hard to dominate a midfield against Chelsea, it also completely depends what happens when Ade gets back. Eduardo really is capable of playing and scoring against any team in the world, he's deadly, RVP can play against anyone very well, but if Wenger drops Adebayor straight back in when he's fit then I can't see us having a chance. Likewise Djourou has had trouble in all his recent games, I don't like his chances of holding up a faster bigger and stronger Drogba, let alone Anelka's pace if he's back. The game will hinge on who we can play upfront and if we can play Toure/Gallas at the back in which case we have a chance.


I keep reading Drunkenmasters post, and they always **** off everybody on the damn pitch.

I think i'm just going to stop reading them. Heck, I can even say Arsenal played well today, I'm a United supporter.
I'd rather draw Chelsea or Everton in the Cup, I really do believe Arsenal play some lovely football when they want to.

how did I **** everyone off again, Diaby, Denilson and Song, well and Ade but it seems all Arsenal fans think he's a joke now.(keep in mind I didn't mention Denilson or Ade until this post, so thats two players, of which one I said did better than usual just poor defensively).

Do remember that this forum is FULL of Arsenal fans who dislike one or two of those plus CONSTANTLy complain about, hmm, Eboue, Bendtner, Gallas, Toure, Almunia(pretty often), Senderos and well, quite a few others also while I never **** those players off. If you ever read my posts you would very quickly find I'm the most positive person with regards to our squad, just not wengers first team choice. I think we have a squad capable of winning lots of things even this year, we've just picked the wrong players all year. It would be like if Man U played Fletcher and o'shea in midfield all year, with Carrick and Scholes on the bench for no apparent reason. In Man U's case they aren't bad, theres just far better players for the position in the squad.

I'm the one that got crap for saying RVP was better than Bergkamp two years ago, which he was and is, he just didn't have the reputation or amount of games. This year he's proved more deadly infront of goal, more capable of running a game, scores more, more assists, stronger, faster, tougher. But I guess when everyone else said he wasn't that good and I was singing his praises, that was me complaining about another player right?

I could mention Man U fans who couldn't let a week go without slagging off one of there players despite winning everything this year, lets see who they've slagged off this year, Berbatov, Tevez(both of which is laughable), o'shea, park, Fletcher, Gibson, Welbeck and others aswell. This is slagging those guys off when far out in the league, won a cup already etc etc. Loads of them slagged off Wes brown all year despite a great year with more defensive records.

Liverpool fans **** off about 85% of their team. But yes, its me, I'm always complaining about my players, sure.
 
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how did I **** everyone off again, Diaby, Denilson and Song, well and Ade but it seems all Arsenal fans think he's a joke now.

Do remember that this forum is FULL of Arsenal fans who dislike one or two of those plus CONSTANTLy complain about, hmm, Eboue, Gallas, Toure, Almunia(pretty often), Senderos and well, quite a few others also while I never **** those players off.

I could mention Man U fans who couldn't let a week go without slagging off one of there players despite winning everything this year, lets see who they've slagged off this year, Berbatov, Tevez(both of which is laughable), o'shea, park, Fletcher, Gibson, Welbeck and others aswell. This is slagging those guys off when far out in the league, won a cup already etc etc. Loads of them slagged off Wes brown all year despite a great year with more defensive records.

Liverpool fans **** off about 85% of their team. But yes, its me, I'm always complaining about my players, sure.
It's the same players, over and over.

To have to compare your moaning to a collective group of fans as comparison says it all really.

Not that there's anything wrong with that mind, it's what this place is for isn't it. Just saying why constant walls of text making the same points are a bit different to the norm.
 
Park was really good against Fulham, I think all the attacking players were fantastic. I'd say almost every player at United played really really well, suddenly there is a lack of discussion on how well he played, and proving some of us wrong, however showing what a lot of us have said all along. I'm waiting until he's asked to play more defensibly and everyone jumps on the we hate Park band wagon.

Arsenal were a joy to behold at times when I watched them, they almost play total football with the way they pass and move, repeat until penalty box. I still think Arsenal lack a few players, to add that finishing touch to the team.

Everton V Middlesborough was a good game, both teams played quite well, a lot of wasted possession however. Feel sorry for Everton getting Manchester United in the next round, United are flying.
 
RvP hasn't shown this season that he's more capable of running a game, is stronger, or can provide more assists than Bergkamp IMO. Obviously the first two are subjective, but there are stats available for the assists:

RvP has 11 assists from 29 matches this season (to 16th feb) according to Wiki, wasn't able to find up to date stats. Interpolated to the whole season you'd probably expect him to get around 16-17 maybe (especially bearing in mind that in theory the cup games will be against tougher opposition)? If you look here you can see Bergkamp's stats: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/5200630.stm . He had 8 seasons with 15+ assists so I think RvP has yet to prove what you have suggested.
 
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I dont know for sure but isnt RVP a lot younger now than Bergkamp when he joined Arsenal?

Its also pretty unfair compared to quality of the two midfields they both have had behind them - dont you think?

Bergkamp was an incredible player - and seemingly more about setting up goals (while getting his fair share)

RvP because of the current state of Arsenal has always been about trying to get the most goals possible (while playing in a similar position)
 
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Come on Everton.

Southgate for the sack. Even the likes of Gibson must have a line somewhere.

its all keith lambs doing though they reckon. hes a tool

sooner we get a 'proper' manager the better to be fair. the players have shown theyre not all bad but they need somoene to make them play together more
 
Bergkamp was 26 years and 1 month old when he joined Arsenal, whereas Van Persie is currently 25 years and 7 months old, so a difference of 6 months. I wouldn't call that "a lot younger".

Like I said at the time, I can't say whether RvP will be a better player than Bergkamp in the long term, I just didn't think it was a valid claim to make, and I still don't think he has proven it. Lets see what he's done after WC2014.
 
Vaguely recall the discussion, wasn't the general consensus that RvP had the potential to exceed Bergkamp, but to put him against the entire career of a great such as Bergkamp was a bit much?
 
Well as the saying goes, the sign of a good team is one that wins matches even when playing poorly.
A midfield of say Essien, Lampard, Ballack, Deco/J.Cole/whoever with width coming from A.Cole/Boswinga should eat up the players Arsenal have been fielding in the middle of late like Song, Denilson, Eboue etc - assuming they can get past Hull who beat them in the league fixture.
 
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Bergkamp was 26 years and 1 month old when he joined Arsenal, whereas Van Persie is currently 25 years and 7 months old, so a difference of 6 months. I wouldn't call that "a lot younger".

Like I said at the time, I can't say whether RvP will be a better player than Bergkamp in the long term, I just didn't think it was a valid claim to make, and I still don't think he has proven it. Lets see what he's done after WC2014.

Bergkamps stats are pretty impressive for his long time at Arsenal, due to injuries this is RvP's first proper season. Not even in the same ballpark although hopefuly RvP sticks around as he defo has the potential.

Season Ass Goals
2005/06 5 2
2004/05 13 8
2003/04 12 4
2002/03 12 4
2001/02 15 9
2000/01 4 3
1999/00 10 6
1998/99 13 12
1997/98 15 16
1996/97 13 12
1995/96 12 11

You can see the period when his legs went a little and he started dropping deeper. RvP has a lot to live up to.

Oh yeah, the only Arsenal players i see consistently slagged off are Eboue (quelle surprise) and Bendtner, both whose sins a certain Drunken fan seems to forget the instant they do something semi decent.
 
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