Fabrice Muamba collapses on pitch during FA Cup match

Psycho Sonny said:
lolwut?

boxers are pushed much harder than footballer's

footballers run for 5-15 second bursts with huge gaps of inactivity, but a boxer literally has to work for a full 3 minutes at a time.

MMA fighters are pushed far harder also.
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No-oo. What i mean is Boxers train at a far more intense level for a short period of time and then will have time off. I would imagine that puts far more strain on their body and heart.

Look at Ricky Hatton as the token extreme example compared to a footballer. A footballer will maintain a fairly constant level of condition throught the year with maybe a wee blip in the summer plus injuries. Hatton will train like a demon for 3/4 months, get in the peak of condition for an incredibly intense fight and then let himself go for a couple of months wherehe does nothing. These extreme changes in activity must be far more punishing to the body? Of course Hatton is an obvious example because of the way he let himself go between fights but for illustrative puropses it makes the point.

As stated there are far more footballers than boxers so i guess that explains it.
 
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No-oo. What i mean is Boxers train at a far more intense level for a short period of time and then will have time off. I would imagine that puts far more strain on their body and heart.
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hardly any boxer does that, the only one i know of is your example hatton and he was a and still is a moron, they do have to make weight, which is a totally different thing altogether.

take george st pierre as an example of an mma fighter, he stays in shape all year round. as do most boxer's.

cutting weight is done for a different reason which i dont really want to go into detail about as it has nothing to do with this thread.

boxer's also train harder than footballers day in day out

take mike tyson for example

Daily Regimen (7 days a week):
5am: get up and go for a 3 mile jog
6am: come back home shower and go back to bed (great workout for those huge legs of his)
10am wake up: eat oatmeal
12pm: do ring work (10 rounds of sparring)
2pm: have another meal (steak and pasta with fruit juice drink)
3pm: more ring work and 60 mins on the exercise bike (again working those huge legs for endurance)
5pm: 2000 sit-ups; 500-800 dips; 500 press-ups; 500 shrugs with a 30kg barbell and 10 mins of neck exercises
7pm: steak and pasta meal again with fruit juice (orange i think it was)
8pm: another 30 minutes on the exercise bike then watch TV and then go to bed.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
hardly any boxer does that, the only one i know of is your example hatton and he was a and still is a moron, they do have to make weight, which is a totally different thing altogether.

take george st pierre as an example of an mma fighter, he stays in shape all year round. as do most boxer's.

cutting weight is done for a different reason which i dont really want to go into detail about as it has nothing to do with this thread.

boxer's also train harder than footballers day in day out

take mike tyson for example

Daily Regimen (7 days a week):
5am: get up and go for a 3 mile jog
6am: come back home shower and go back to bed (great workout for those huge legs of his)
10am wake up: eat oatmeal
12pm: do ring work (10 rounds of sparring)
2pm: have another meal (steak and pasta with fruit juice drink)
3pm: more ring work and 60 mins on the exercise bike (again working those huge legs for endurance)
5pm: 2000 sit-ups; 500-800 dips; 500 press-ups; 500 shrugs with a 30kg barbell and 10 mins of neck exercises
7pm: steak and pasta meal again with fruit juice (orange i think it was)
8pm: another 30 minutes on the exercise bike then watch TV and then go to bed.
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I accept that Hatton was an extreme example which i why i said it at least twice and was using him for illustrative puropses only. However i was under the impression that boxers upped their training during fight time as opposed to down time.

I stand corrected though - fair enough

I guess what we are saying is that its just a law of averages with this then? There are more footballers than most participants in other (more intensive) sports so there will be more examples in football than elsewhere.
 
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I accept that Hatton was an extreme example which i why i said it at least twice and was using him for illustrative puropses only. However i was under the impression that boxers upped their training during fight time as opposed to down time.

I stand corrected though - fair enough

I guess what we are saying is that its just a law of averages with this then? There are more footballers than most participants in other (more intensive) sports so there will be more examples in football than elsewhere.
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boxers usually take a week off before a big fight, to get rest, prevent injuries or tenderness, over training, etc. they may do some light training but compared to their normal regime it will be nothing.

hatton was quite simply the heskey of boxing
 
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Was just awful to watch helplessly, brings the slender value of life back to reality.

I wish him well and a speedy recover.



Psycho Sonny said:
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This isn't really the place or the time to start making wild guesses as to the state of the players health, fitness or his condition. I'm appalled that you found it necessary to start trolling and taking this thread off topic the way you have.
 
Latest Update from Bolton, Monday 19 March, 15.30:

Fabrice Muamba remains in intensive care at The London Chest Hospital, where today he is showing small signs of improvement.

His heart is now beating without the help of medication and he is also moving his arms and his legs.

However, his long-term prognosis will remain unclear for some time. He is still critically ill and will continue to be closely monitored and treated by staff in The London Chest Hospital's intensive care unit.
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Stunning if that is true and he was basically 'dead' for what seemed like 10 minutes, hope he can make a full recovery.

Without being hit with a wall of text aren't athletes these days tested for heart issues and if so was Muamba not or was it a freak unpredictable incident?
 
Some defects are VERY hard to find, sometimes you merely get symptoms and can't find it without a dangerous literally look inside..... which rarely happens. As said before, a pretty standard infection can randomly.... settle in an ankle, or the heart, a completely healthy part of a body can suddenly become inflamed and weakenend without really any outside symptoms at first.

You've got other heart problems that can simply develope over time, which wouldn't have shown up years ago but might show up now.

Human body is both, stupidly resilient and stupidly frail......so many things can go wrong that the body can deal with in what are quite brilliant ways, and so many other things can go wrong that the body can't even recognise as being wrong.


He also wasn't essentially dead for 10 minutes, being essentially dead would mean no oxygen and no heart pumping. While his body wasn't doing either, other people were for him, and they did a damn good job of it. CPR/shocking have a very poor success rate because, largely speaking, they are used on just about everyone, when there is zero chance to start with and not many where it can actually do some good. In this case, they breathed and pumped his heart for him till they could get his own heart doing it for him, sounds like via medication at the least.

Its great news and if he's really talking as well that is even better. Just heart beating is one thing, being conscious as well as being able to move his limbs around and (hopefully) being coherant and talking is a great early sign. Still critical as it depends what was wrong with we assume his heart, one off fluke, possible it can happen again, does it need major surgery to fix. Really though at this stage I doubt there could be any better news/situation possible.
 
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Latest is that he is talking, answering questions, able to recognise family, he's able to move legs & arms a little and able to breath without being on a ventilator.
 
I think it's amazing he's got this far. After seeing it in Sunday I was just waiting for the news that he'd passed away ......

Just shows how good medical staff are nowadays and the fighting spirit the player himself must have. Here's hoping he has a complete recovery.after all he's only a young lad
 
Moses said:
They'll be tested when signing for a club, or starting playing for England... but stuff can develop, so it should be an annual thing really (or so Wenger said).
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I agree, in Italy they may much more attention to heart defects (or rather AC Milan do)

Azza said:
Latest is that he is talking, answering questions, able to recognise family, he's able to move legs & arms a little and able to breath without being on a ventilator.
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This is brilliant news.

I posted before about the lack of news being a sign that they might be contacting family and didn't want to announce anything until after, I genuinely thought that he wouldn't pull through after seeing what happened. I'm really pleased he's looking to be on the mend.

I think it's a bit like Sir Alex said, all credit to the medical staff at the ground and hospital that saved his life.
 
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