penski said:
What's so 'awful' about them? They're japanese? The fact that you don't pay nearly thirty grand for a mint one?
No, whats awful about them is that they look tacky and are trying to look like european vehicle which it is not. I also dislike replica's, and although this clearly isn't one, it still looks plain crap.
penski said:
So falling to bits, having rot-prone metalwork, an asthmatic engine and obscene parts costs are justifications for paying so much...? :/
Sigh, no, they don't all fall to bits, but much like any other 30, 40, 50 year old classic, they get rust. As most enthusaists know, Buses are prone to rust. However, they did well to get this far, notice the lack of jap vans? There are lots of reasons for this, not just rusting alone, but you get my point.
penski said:
At the end of the day, they're trendy which means that people who want to portray a certain image will fork out £20k+ for a mint split. Unfortunately, this means that everyone in 'the scene' reckons they can justify asking five grand for their rotten bay. Prices will crash. Look what happened to Beetles and Minis - you used to pay a FORTUNE for them.
Now? You can barely give them away.
Yes, it's sad that they are so expensive, I think I highlighted that in my previous posts. True, prices are ridicolous for rotten bays, and even worse for splits. Yes, its because they are trendy. Being a VW Bus enthusiast, I can't avoid that now can I? As to whether prices will crash, I'm not so sure. Yes, Beetles crashed (and for good reason too imo), but I'm not sure Buses will suffer the same fate to such a big degree. If they do crash, hopefully I'll be able to afford one.
penski said:
Just look at the prices of Type 3 Notches over the last few years.
Fridolins too - Five years ago, you could get a good one for £800. Now you're looking at about four grand because they're becoming popular again.
It's not far off.
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That's the nature of 'in' cars, unfortunatly, they all go up in price! Doesn't mean its right, doesn't mean it makes sense, but its a fact.
penski said:
The dub 'scene' is full of narrow-minded fashionistas who will take out a second mortgage if it means that they can get 'this seasons' accessory or vehicle.
The reality is that you can buy a mint early bay (flat rear lights, the works) out of a local paper for £1,500.
It's a shame you tarr us all with the same brush. I want one Bus and it to be one way only - but becauses it's a fasionable vehicle, people get the impression that we are all like that, which we are not. As for bargains, yes, they are still out there.
penski said:
Look at how much the same kind of thing goes for on VZi or The Samba. It's sickening. It is nothing more than an elitist clique artificially raising the prices of their own vehicles so they can pat each other on the back and kid themselves that they were right in forking out ten large for a rusty imported split.
Me?
I'd rather keep eight grand in my pocket and get something like this:
*Pics of Jap vans
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No, they are not all part of an elitist clique. Some inevitably see it this way, but the fact is, that is the current cost. If you want one, and I mean, really want one, the only way is to fork out money! Why the same point?! Nothing we can do about the prices until / if it dies down!
penski said:
Or if you really want to give them all the finger as you roll into Big Bang, something like this
Give who the finger? I'm sure that you've been to a few VW shows, in which case you should know that there will be far too many people interested in VW buses to give a toss about a Jap van, whether it has Fuch's or not. Also, I've found the VW scene to be amongst the friendliest classic car scene's there are.
Pulling up in that won't make you look 'oh so alternative' and 'stick one up at them, I'm not driving a Volkswagen', there are plenty of other cars other than VW's at these shows, so a brown jap van wouldn't really be all that shocking - if anything, it probably wouldn't get noticed. I also doubt many would care about what kind of power its putting out, the design of the Hiace isnt all that special either, but thats all in the eye of the beholder.
Don't understand all this arguing when it comes to classic vehicles, if you want a Nissan van, fine. If you want a VW Bus, fine. This thread was about a Jap van trying to look like a VW, maybe admitting that Jap vans look awful?
Mrchu_ said:
diluded purists!
japanesse make excellent copies.Always have.Look at early jap motorbikes.yes they still go.And as for bigging up european classic styling,has anyone seen the last 2 vespas, piaggio spat out?or the megane?
Modern european styling is s**** on these, desperate for something new.out of something old.
This diddyvan will make it so wanna be vw enthusiasts can just chav off, and leave the restoring purists to it.That goes for anyone buying someones vw without doing anything to better it.Just to be cool.Just get one of these jappas as you dont deserve an old one.
I dont really know what your even going on about. If that's an 'excellent copy', then I'd hate to see a bad one. European classic styling, some good, some bad. But, why are you then comparing that against modern european styling? Also, all the european car's you've mentioned arn't german, and I'd say modern german styling is pretty good.
The megane has little to do with a a split screen bus from the 50's / 60's, does it? As for something new out of something old, 60's shapes are popular atm, hence manufacturers trying to copy the old. Isn't the case with german cars though.
That's exactly what the diddyvan is, a 'wannabe', not an alternative to a VW Bus. I'm not a restoring purist, there are all types of enthusiasts in the VW scene. So, let me get this straight, if you don't modify an original example of a car, you dont deserve one, so buy an original example of a Jap van, and modify that instead? What on earth are you talking about?
Not everyone wants to change the original appearance of the cars, other's do. To say we're all the same is just bull. As for the diddyvan, a bad imitation of a great design, but just incase people are worried, thats 'IMO'.
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