family transportation

rotters said:
thinking of a mpv type vehicle, but they all look dreadful

I have spared time to answer the ops question as I have been in a simlar position to him/her in the last 12 months and share the view that mpvs are 'dreadful'.

I didnt say they where dreadful completely as vehicles but look dreadful.

will your wife be driving it?
how confident is she behind the wheel?
what's her opinions on the choice of vehicle?
any input to go on?

my wife has been driving for 10 years and 3 years for me. (i started late.) car needs to fit dog, 2 prams and say bags for holidays. She is very confident in driving and has passed the advanced driving course which ll be starting in the new year.
her opnions on the car, she doesnt care as long as it offers good runnng value and packs everything in.

this thread has become very bickery chaps, and slightly more orientated to the marketing of mpvs over estates.



rotters
 
rotters said:
my wife has been driving for 10 years and 3 years for me. (i started late.) car needs to fit dog, 2 prams and say bags for holidays. She is very confident in driving and has passed the advanced driving course which ll be starting in the new year.
her opnions on the car, she doesnt care as long as it offers good runnng value and packs everything in.
C5 estate.
the damn things are like black holes for swallowing up stuff.
they depreciate like stones so you can get a good (and pretty new) one for little money.
rotters said:
this thread has become very bickery chaps, and slightly more orientated to the marketing of mpvs over estates.
sorry about that.
i'm partly to blame for not letting go when i read something that just doesn't make any sense to me.
lordrobs said:
That has got to be one of my top 5 statements I've read on OCUK :p Brilliant :D
it's basic common sense though, don't you think?
 
Hi all

I have just read the whole post and basically have come to the conclusion that nearly on ervery thread in motors, Fox is arguing with someone!

I know you love Mondeos and E39 530is Fox, but if you cannot understand why some people would love/need an MPV then you seriously need to get out more and stop posting on here!

We, my family have decided on a Renault Scenic (New Shape) mainly beacuse with the little un we can easily help her in and out of the car whilst having the shopping and other bits at an accessible level.

The MAIN REASON though why we have chosen it is because of the FIVE STAR N CAP SAFETY RATING, and this along with those mentioned above are enough reasons for a family to want to go out and buy an MPV.

Yes, i know it doesnt motor along.

Yes, i know it corners like a skip.

Yes, i know it doesnt look "cool".

But, when you have a family all that doesnt matter ONE bit mate.

I know everyone has there own opinions but the reasons are there in front of you Fox!

Cheers :)
 
The_Dark_Side said:
it's purely the fact that you stated you couldn't see why anyone would choose one, or that you failed to see what a mini-MPV could offer over a large saloon that prompted me to reply in the first place.if it was just a simple case of you disliking them then that's entirely your call.
I stand by this comment, it has more to do with the fact that a car is the second largest purchase one would ever make and I can understand the hast that often goes into said purchase to be frank.

County said:
The MAIN REASON though why we have chosen it is because of the FIVE STAR N CAP SAFETY RATING, and this along with those mentioned above are enough reasons for a family to want to go out and buy an MPV.
going back to the large saloon v mpv argument. if i could choose a car to crash - the mpv woukldnt be my first choice : the five star rating means that the car causes less injuries to pedestrians when running them over as much as it means it protects passengers in a crash.
 
Well after my recent experience with a new shape Scenic I can make a few comments.

1. It gets you from A to B with virtually zero fuss or driver involvment.
2. It's practical, cubby holes all over the place and what to me was a cavernous boot*
3. The rear suspension completely failed to cope with a minor undulation in the road nearly causing me to spin despite being nowhere near the limit of grip. I honestly think that my 14 year old Fiesta would have coped better.


I've never really seen the appeal of Mini MPVs but having driven one for 3 days across Europe (OK, France and Belgium) I can kind of see the appeal. The driving position was good and offered excellent visibility, it was stupidly easy to drive and I'm pretty sure that it would easily take 5 people and their luggage. I don't look for any of these things in a car as I'm a 25 year old single male but my boss who is married with 3 kids does and has found the Scenic II to be the ideal car for him.



*I'm used to an Elise/Fiesta sized boot so the boot may not have been as big as I thought.
 
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Picasso and the smax are both perfect for the familys who need a more rounded and family orientated mpv, they dont was to be the volvo estate mum.

as much as I would like to think I would not out of a smax piccasso or a large estate I would take an mpv everytime.
 
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Multipla, 2 rows of 3 full size seats. Avaliable in pretty quick 1.9 JTD format (will give your ford a run for its money).

And it's so scary that the kids will actually vomit before they get in it.
 
dilated said:
going back to the large saloon v mpv argument. if i could choose a car to crash - the mpv woukldnt be my first choice : the five star rating means that the car causes less injuries to pedestrians when running them over as much as it means it protects passengers in a crash.

Wrong!

The pedestrian rating has a seperate test!

Please CLICK HERE

Cheers :)
 
Ok, after reading about 6 or 7 of the back-and-forth arguments about MPV's, can I add in my perspective as having owned one of the 7 passenger variants? I also currently own what (I think) you folks call an estate....

Granted, a 1986 Toyota Tercel 4WD station wagon and a 1987 Dodge Caravan SE are two totally different animals in every aspect.

The plusses for the Toyota :

Turning circle - for a FWD (in 2WD mode) vehicle, it has an absolutely AMAZING turning radius. Very handy when you spot that one parking spot left and it's on the opposing side of the lane....

Fuel economy - When new it touted 30+ mpg (on US gallons) at times approaching 40mpg (exceeding it using your gallons).

Compact size - It'll fit into some pretty amazingly small parking spots.

Versatility - With the floor-level lift gate at the rear and the 60/40 split rear seats, the cargo hauling capabilities are quite good. Much better than any boot I've ever had the displeasure of unloading groceries out of.

Reliability - It's a Toyota. If I need say anything more, you've obviously never owned a Toyota before......

4WD capability - for being nothing more than a Toyota Starlett with two extra doors, it's hard to believe that it is so capable in 4WD mode. Last winter we had a blizzard around here. They cancelled school and told us to come pick our kids up as all but three of the school bus drivers had refused to travel in the conditions :mad: I got there and found out that only two other parents had made it to the school. The three of us ended up transporting home almost 100 students as we were the only things moving on the roads in a town of 8,000. The other two vehicles were a pre-70's Ford Tallboy 4X4 pickup with farm tyres on it and the other was a WWII Willy's M38 military Jeep with the ragtop on it. I was the last one to go home as the other two got too close to running out of petrol and none of the gas stations were open. The number of SUV's and other 4WD vehicles that were stranded was unbelievable, and yet I was having absolutely NO trouble at all except with visibility due to the blowing snow!!

The minusses for the Toyota :

Non-existant power - with a 17.0s 0-60, you REALLY have to plan how you get out onto a 55mph two lane road. And passing at 55+mph is a day-long exercise in futility.

Comfort - It's a tiny little Jap mobile that has the comfort levels of a Catholic church pew.

Noise levels - It's a mid-80's Jap mobile. They had no idea what sound deadening material was in those days.

Lack of toys - The only thing power on this car is the brakes and steering. Everything else is completely manual, including shifting into 4WD. At least on the automatics it was pushbutton.



The plusses for the Dodge Caravan :


You want space? - I could almost park the Toyota in the cargo area of the Caravan if I took out the middle and rear seats. It's HUGE in there!! I'm 6'3" tall, and when I laid down with my stretched out toes pointing at the rear gate, I had LOTS of room above my head!! It was THAT far from front to rear!! An absolutely unholy amount of room inside them.

Power. You want power? - My God!! I only had the 3.0L V-6 with a crappy 3spd autobox on it and it was 154,000 miles old. But that thing had absolutely NO problem shifting out onto a 55mph road!! Many a time I would stomp a little too hard on the go pedal and that thing would HOWL the P235/60R15 Eagle GT+4's! I can't even imagine what the 3.8L's are like.

Riding position - Picture a good office chair with a steering wheel in front of it. That's what driving a minivan is like. You're sat bolt upright with a commanding view of everything around you. The "fishbowl" effect of all those windows mean you have a full 360 degree view. And the quick slanting bonnet means you're not poked out into traffic to see what's coming.

Versatility - The sliding door on the side with waist-high floor-level access means that loading is unbelievably easy. The cavernous rear hatch means that getting even a 52" plasma screen home is as easy as carrying a pack of smokes. And the 500lb capacity roof rack meant that carrying home a new couch meant no movers required. I moved my sister-in-law out of her apartment in one trip. Her bed, couch, dresser, entertainment center, everything went in one load.

Toys - OMG!!! This thing had more toys than a kid's playground ;)

Climate control - Mine was one of the VERY few of that year that had the dual zone climate control. I could literally freeze us out of the front of the van with the A/C and cook the kids in the back with the heater. That thing had phenomenal A/C and heat. I've seen them produce frost in the summer and actually crack a windscreen in the winter.....


The minusses of the Caravan :

Poor turning radius - It was horrible. Turning around in a two lane road was impossible. Unless you were suicidal and wanted to try an e-brake turn in something top heavy with only a foot-style parking brake.

Poor mileage - I think the best I ever got out of mine was 18-20mpg. Most of the time it was closer to 15. Mind you, I have a REALLY heavy right foot.

Reliability - One thing to condsider is that mine was 154,000 miles old when I got it and had been heavily abused by the previous owners. Maintenance to them was to wash it once a year. But I did have to replace the water pump ($550 at the garage - I lived in an apartment complex that did not permit working on cars), the alternator ($157.00 just for the part), passenger's mirror (fell off when wife took it through the mechanical car wash), both rear light clusters (water intrusion/corrosion), the rear hatch locking mechanism, both tranny cooling lines, and one CV joint. And I only owned it for 2.5 years....

Parking - with something only a few inches shorter than a Cadillac SeVille and a turning radius of an 18 wheeler, getting around a parking lot could test the patience of a Shoalin Monk. And trying to find a parking spot big enough to get it into and still get out of the van was frustrating beyond belief.

Security for possessions - At least in the Toyota you have a removable parcel shelf to cover the cargo area. In a minivan EVERYTHING is open to the world's view.

Summer heat - With all that glass, it VERY quickly becomes a greenhouse in there. I ended up putting limo tint on the rear 5 windows to help keep it cool. Helped a LOT.
 
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the thing is Mickey, I don't think anyone posting in this thread is referring to the classic 7 seater MPV as there is no real alternative if you really need more than 5 seats AND a large load carrying space.
in the UK we have mini MPV'S, Which are basically standard saloons with a higher roofline and slightly larger boot (trunk).
to be honest I don't know if these types of vehicle are available in the Americas as you guys ain't exactly stuck for space or crucified with astronomical gas prices.

all I've really been trying to say is that for some people the mini MPV is the best solution, albeit for reasons which may not affect ( or make sense ) to some of us.
 
County said:
I know you love Mondeos and E39 530is Fox, but if you cannot understand why some people would love/need an MPV then you seriously need to get out more and stop posting on here!

And if you cannot actually read, I suggest you do the same :)

The MAIN REASON though why we have chosen it is because of the FIVE STAR N CAP SAFETY RATING

So you bought it becuase of better 'perceived' safety.

I guess its good to know that you have 5 star protection if you ever drive, at exactly 30mph, into another car exactly the same size at exactly the same point as the NCAP test is conducted.

Becuase other than that, that little 5 star rating isn't an awful lot of use.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Becuase other than that, that little 5 star rating isn't an awful lot of use.

I dont think that is strictly true, cars with a higher rating tend to have more advanced crumple zones and points so that the cabin doesnt crush the drivers etc, although in a way your right since it also depends almost entirely on the nature of the crash the speed angle, but it is nicer to know your car is slightly more safe than some others on the road.
 
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