FAO W3bbo................help!

3DBULLY

3DBULLY

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w3bbo, could do with some of your wise guidance, with my Q6600.

I'm having issues trying to get 3.4 - 3.6Ghz with ram at 1600Mhz. All my Hardware details are below.

Q6600 G0
FPO/Batch : L744A530
Prod Code : BX80562
Version :E10342-002
Pack Date :01/02/08
Vid : 1.2625v <--- With this vid what could the chip manage ?
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Power Supply : Corsair HX 620
Motherboard : Striker II Extreme bios 1104
Ram : Corsair TW3X4G1600C9DHX 4x2GB
GFX Card :BFG 8800GTX OC2 768MB
Sound Card : X-Fi extreme music
Hardrives : 2 x 74GB raptors raid 0
2 x 500GB WD RE2 16MB cache
1 x Samsung Spinpoint P SP2504C
Case : Akasa Eclipse 62 + 2 x 120mm Akasa Amber Fans
Cooling : Swiftech Custom Apogee GT/MCR 220-QP RAD

All ram has past 3 passes of memtest.
Would really like 3.8Ghz stable with the ram at 1600Mhz.......Please please please could you help me out on this.
And i'm not to sure about the math behind the GTL Ref setting's.

Kind Regards

3DBULLY

Current settings: 3.3Ghz x9 multi - bus speed 366.7 - FSB 1466 - CoreV 1.408.
Mem Settings : CAS 9 - TRCD 9 - TRP 9 - TRAS 24 - TRC 40 - 2T
 
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First, read this: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17612922

Watercooling the cpu is a good shout.

Low Vid correlates with high overclocks, but does not correlate perfectly by any stretch.

Overclocking with all four ram slots populated will make life much harder for you.

Memtest is not a sufficient stability test. I strongly recommend reading the above link. Prime 95 / intel burn test/ memtest combined is better.

Useful information above, but you haven't included what you're currently attempting with the overclock. This makes advice customised to you impossible, all we can offer is the general how-to guides which Google would present.

What are you experiencing problems with exactly?


Aiming your post at a single forum member is likely to prevent other people offering help. I'd be intrigued as to why you thought that was sensible.

Cheers
 
As above really, although I'd guess the fact W3bbo had a Q6600 at 4.1Ghz or similar on water.

Just to point out, explain how you're getting on, and what's failing and provide more detailed settings. Judging by the vcore you posted, you could be a bit braver with the voltages; for instance for 3.8GHz my Q6600 needs 1.58vcore.
 
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Happy said:
As above really, although I'd guess the fact W3bbo had a Q6600 at 4.1Ghz or similar on water.
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Yeah you said all really happy....:D

I'm suffering freezes with 9x multi / ram@ 1600....pushed vcore to 1.50 actual.

And 8Gig of ram is an issue, to a point but it's not impossible, from what i've seen posted here.

Yeah your right about me making the post FAO for W3bbo, but from what i've seen he's the man.
 
No disrespect to W3bbo, but many other members if given his old 'Golden Stepping Q6600' could/would achieve similar results.

Post up a Bios template of all the settings you're using, but start by saying what your NB/MCH voltage is.

Another thing to bear in mind is that for W3bbo's Q6600 he was running a Asus Blitz P35 with a W/C NB and was putting 1.6v+ iirc through it.
 
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Yeah ok my bad!, i shall remember in future, sorry guy's.

So anybody reading this...... if you can advise me on my problem any help would be nice.

Ok happy getting that info for you now.
 
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Striker II Extreme Bios Template

PSU = Corsair HX 620
CPU = Q6600
RAM = Corsair TW3X4G1600C9DHX (8GIG)
HDD ( windows ) = WD Raptor 74GIG X2 Raid 0
VGA1 = BFG 8800GTX OC 2
SPU ( Sound Card ) = X-Fi Extreme Music
NorthBridge Cooling = W/C
SouthBridge Cooling = W/C
CPU Cooling = W/C
RAM Cooling = Corsair Triple Channel Airflow Fan 2812 RPM
nFORCE Chipset Drivers Version =15.25 Nvidai nForce
ForceWare/GeForce Drivers Version = 182.08 Nvidia
Sound Card Drivers Version = 2.18.008
BIOS version= 1104

Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = Manual
CPU Multiplier = 9
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = Linked
FSB - Memory Ratio = Sync Mode
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1467.7
MEM (DDR) MHz = 1467.7
LDT Frequency = 5
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = AUTO (should this be auto or 200 ?)
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled

Memory Timing Setting
P1 = AUTO
P2 = AUTO
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = 9
tRCD = 9
tRP = 9
tRAS = 24
Command Per Clock (CMD) = 2T
tRRD = 1
tRC = 40
tWR = AUTO (12)
tWTR = AUTO (18)
tFAW = 50
tRD = AUTO (11)
tRTP = AUTO (6)
tRFC = 88
tREF = AUTO (7.8us)

Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = 1.38125v (actual 1.41)
Loadline Calibration = Disabled
CPU PLL Voltage = 1.50 (actual 1.52)
CPU VTT Voltage = 1.34 (actual 1.36)
Memory Voltage = 1.86 (actual 1.92)
NB Core Voltage = 1.48 (actual 1.50)
SB Core Voltage = 1.55 (actual 1.54)
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = A
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = U
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = T
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = O
NB GTL REF Ratio = AUTO
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = A
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = U
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = T
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = O

CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Disabled
Execute Disable Bit = Enabled
Virtualization Technology = Disabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Disabled
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 = Enabled
CPU Core 4 = Enabled

Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Disabled

Ok happy this is all my setting's in bios, note actual is what Everest ultimate is showing.
Sorry about the wait, was marvin so i fed my face.
Ohh current temps ....NB 48c SB 49c CPU 22c @ idle.
 
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Cheers paulyD, i have seen this i think, im looking into info for the GTL (Gun Transceiver Logic) i have read loads of info on this i would just like a few thing's cleared up regarding the maths behind it.
 
http://forum.xcpus.com/overclocking/12932-practical-gtl-reference-tweaking-guide.html

http://www.thetechrepository.com/showthread.php?t=87

http://www.edgeofstability.com/articles/dfi_p35/gtl/gtl1.html


The information above I have linked to will be a start for you.

Is the NB ~ SB~ CPU on the same water cooled loop?

You may also find using 2 sticks of ram at first to find the maximum overclock available using the lowest multi first. This will define the the OC of both board and will determine if you will be CPU limited


8 gigs if ram is an added strain on the NB in comparison to 2x1. If as you state 8 is required you may have to conceed to your all-ready attained overclock
 
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Yes same loop, using the Fusion block which i removed and cleaned old factory paste off and re-applied AS5 (should have been MX-2 damn) to the heatsink NB/SB and Power Mosfets.
 
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Yes same loop, using the Fusion block which i removed and cleaned old factory paste off and re-applied AS5 (should have been MX-2 damn) to the heatsink NB/SB and Power Mosfets.
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To be honest the amount of heat dumped by the NB alone into the loop will be considerable.

You may have to conceed your OC as it is. Albeit as I suggested if you wish to determine the OC ability of the chip and motherboard use 2x1 sticks and drop to the lower multi.

Increasing the CPU Vcore will only add further heat to the loop passed onto the NB

I presume your have your loop as CPU - NB - RAD- RES (and you are not WC the SB or GC?)

Which type of rad are you using?
 
CyZMyAssBaby said:
Swift tech rad x2 120mm fans. Is this rad with a built in res? ----- NO! Res has the pump attached old swiftech 5.25drive bay jobbie.

If heat is an issue an upgrade to some stronger CFM fans may help in reducing temps
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Maybe the fusion block sucks, i have seen that there are other blocks which fit the fusion heatsink that do a much better job off cooling.
Could be the answer...as NB/SB seem to be running a tad high.

But the danger point on NB/SB is 58C ?

I think i'm going to remove Fusion block, clean it up and add some MX-2 and see if i can get the temps down on the SB/NB.
 
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First off, as the guys above have mentioned it's not good forum etiquitte to ask for an individuals help as there are a lot of folk on here that know what they are doing. While I am flattered you asked for help from me personally I'm not some mystical guru who can magically make every chip reach 4ghz lol (however most chips I've had have managed this - maybe I'm just lucky ;)).

Cooling on the Q6600 is very important. They start to get flaky around the 60c mark and while they will operate at higher temps, keeping it under 60c is critical to get the most out of it. I got two or three Q6600's past the 4GHz barrier (stable) with the help of lapping, top of the line watercooling and perhaps most importantly, very low ambient temps!

All that however, will mean little if the correct balance of components isn't obtained first. Here is where you may be failing I'm afraid. The 790i boards are great for 45nm but for 65nm such as the Q6600, the P35/P45 chipsets are best. Nvidia chipsets are renown for having poor power delivery and as such the vcore can fluctuate wildly making it a pain to get a CPU stable at high frequencies. You also have the added hinderance of using 8GB or ram. This will certainly hurt you max CPU overclock as it's putting masses of pressure on the memory controller. Remove all but one stick to find your maximum CPU overclock and work from there to ensure it's not your MC that's crapping out.

Try these settings for now

Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = Manual
CPU Multiplier = 9
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = UnLinked
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1600
MEM (DDR) MHz = 1600
LDT Frequency = 5
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = 200 (x5 LDT = 1000 ;) which is correct - keep this ratio below 1000 at all times).
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled

Memory Timing Setting
P1 = Disabled
P2 = Disabled
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = 9
tRCD = 9
tRP = 9
tRAS = 24
Command Per Clock (CMD) = 2T
tRRD = 1
tRC = 40
tWR = AUTO (12)
tWTR = AUTO (18)
tFAW = 50
tRD = AUTO (11)
tRTP = AUTO (6)
tRFC = 88
tREF = AUTO (7.8us)

Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = 1.5v (report back with your actual voltage in windows please)
Loadline Calibration = Enabled (helps with vDroop)
CPU PLL Voltage = 1.7
CPU VTT Voltage = 1.4
Memory Voltage = 1.86
NB Core Voltage = 1.45
SB Core Voltage = 1.6
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = A
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = U
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = T
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = O
NB GTL REF Ratio = AUTO
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = A
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = U
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = T
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = O

CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Disabled
Execute Disable Bit = Enabled
Virtualization Technology = Disabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Disabled
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 = Enabled
CPU Core 4 = Enabled

Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Disabled

This should give you 3.6GHz and 1600MHz on the memory which is perhaps the most common overclock and will give us a good indication of the potential your setup has. You may need a little more/less vcore depending on the voltage reported in windows. One thing to watch for is Vdroop. Keep a check on CPU-Z Vcore when idle vs load and report back the difference.

Hope this helps a little and when you come back we might be able to go to the next step.
 
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