Feral teens/sub-humans and their behaviour

The only time in recent memory when Boris has sounded remotely conservative is when he said that the best way to protect the NHS is a strong economy and something about how taking away an Englishman's right to go the pub is unthinkable, unfortunately in practice he seems to be using the Jeremy Corbyn big government/all encompassing nanny state/nobody has any rights except what the government give to them playbook.
 
chroniclard said:
Was there ever a time you could beat up kids? :confused:
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Well when I was at school, both primary and grammar, corporal punishment was in force and used on a daily basis, so yes.

We had a geography teacher who carried around the rubber sole of a pump (he called it Excalibur :p) and it would be rare you'd go through one of his classes without getting thwacked around your head with it.
 
Kelt said:
Well when I was at school, both primary and grammar, corporal punishment was in force and used on a daily basis, so yes.

We had a geography teacher who carried around the rubber sole of a pump (he called it Excalibur :p) and it would be rare you'd go through one of his classes without getting thwacked around your head with it.
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What was suggested was being able to beat up teenagers for their anti social behaviour.

I am assuming back in the 50s, or whatever, crime was eliminated. :p
 
VincentHanna said:
In 2012 the types of crime people are talking about were all at historic lows: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18899360

Perception vs reality.
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Except that crime stats are commonly manipulated and/or misreported.

Take Greater Manchester Police, the 2nd largest force in the UK, who failed to record 80,000 crime in a 12 month period, accounting for over 20% of total crimes known to police in that period.

These weren't just petty crimes. 25% of all reported crime in that period were violent offences.

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He said he hoped the sentences "would send a message about violence" to young people.
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Not that it's legally/morally acceptable, but times like this you wonder whether a better message to send is via swift vigilante justice instead of these joke punishments that have zero effect on these people.

I still maintain that the moment anyone chooses to harm an innocent person or animal that they should automatically lose any human rights they would otherwise have and whatever comes their way is justified.

Yeah it's wrong on modern levels, but time and time again we see evidence of these cases where they just don't learn and the punishments dished out by the law are laughable.
 
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Sickening really. What can you do in that scenario? You go to defend your kid, but can’t really go in all guns blazing as you’ll obviously get the blame. Police won’t care if you call them out. So the guy gets nearly (or possibly) killed. These people don’t care, there are no consequences. Most of them will go completely free.

I see it round me. Guy gets mugged, the kids literally spotted and reported a few roads over, police have no one to send out.

Teenage girl raped on a footpath, guy gets something like 4 years.

I give up.
 
I was going to come in here and be all righteous about how offensive the term "sub-human" is.

Honestly after reading most of the comments I can't bring myself to disagree.
 
I think as society moves further away from world war 2 the "me me" attitude as grown amongst certain parental genetic lines. There will always be low level criminals in society. They need to be told were the line of order is. If the cops don't get their act together and start working to prevent crime, then as @jaybee said vigilantism is coming.

This isn't really anything to do with an individual political party. They all have a lot in common, that none of them have attempted to tackle low level crime successfully. What good is an ASBO going to do? I remember being in Newton Heath in Manchester were the lads there were showing off their ankle tags. Law enforcement seems to be built on the premise that everyone wants to become law abiding. Some people don't. But even the ones who do aren't given much of a path out of crime either. The whole system is messed up and needs a major re-think.
 
BowdonUK said:
I think as society moves further away from world war 2 the "me me" attitude as grown amongst certain parental genetic lines. There will always be low level criminals in society. They need to be told were the line of order is. If the cops don't get their act together and start working to prevent crime, then as @jaybee said vigilantism is coming.

This isn't really anything to do with an individual political party. They all have a lot in common, that none of them have attempted to tackle low level crime successfully. What good is an ASBO going to do? I remember being in Newton Heath in Manchester were the lads there were showing off their ankle tags. Law enforcement seems to be built on the premise that everyone wants to become law abiding. Some people don't. But even the ones who do aren't given much of a path out of crime either. The whole system is messed up and needs a major re-think.
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The problem is whenever the government tries to tighten things for the safety of everyone else, you get idiots kicking off like the rioters we had recently. They demand the right to walk around urban streets kicking things in and making loads of noise, all night, in the middle of pandemic :rolleyes:

They will probably change their tune once mobs of vigilantes start beating up scrotes with baseball bats, because they finaly cracked and had enough of it.
 
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Nasher said:
They will probably change their tune once mobs of vigilantes start beating up scrotes with baseball bats, because they finaly cracked and had enough of it.
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That's probably what it will take, because nothing else will happen, it's gone too far.
 
Nasher said:
The problem is whenever the government tries to tighten things for the safety of everyone else, you get idiots kicking off like the rioters we had recently. They demand the right to walk around urban streets kicking things in and making loads of noise, all night, in the middle of pandemic :rolleyes:

They will probably change their tune once mobs of vigilantes start beating up scrotes with baseball bats, because they finaly cracked and had enough of it.
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Apart from any ethical considerations, it's not practical. Violent gangs don't conduct investigations and a fair trial. At best, their targetting is imperfect and even that rarely if ever happens with violent gangs. They're too useful for power-seekers. The least bad outcome you can reasonably hope for is that rival violent gangs will mostly target each other and rarely kill people outside the gangs.
 
Ayahuasca said:
Absolutely disgusting, just imagine what the whole experience is going to do to his son/daughter mentally. Even if their Dad pulls through, they're left with the image of their father not being able to help them and getting beat up by kids :(
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There’s no shame, even the strongest can get taken down (easily) by a pack of weaker animals, plus they wouldn’t have been fighting fair.
 
Junglist said:
I work at an alternative education provision which also does a lot of youth engagement work (though I'm just the IT Manager, i don't do any of the great work the staff do) and all of what you said sounds depressingly similar to our situation in Bristol. Lots of services and funding has been cut which leaves a lot of the young people who were already at the tipping point going the wrong way and once that starts it's just a vicious cycle.

But now with the funding being at pretty much non existent levels we're going to see a rise in this anti-social behaviour and young people generally being led astray. Then in a few months time everyone will complain and say they're destined to be that way without trying to help them and the teachers/youth workers will be expected to perform even more on even less.
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Yet we keep voting stupid parties in...
 
They need some kind of purpose to their lives.

But there is no room for them in the military now. With all the cuts they can be picky and applications are up loads since the covid job losses apparently.
 
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