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FIA confirm Michael Masi removed as race director
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Somewhere there’s a carpet with a whole load of stuff that been swept under it.
Except it does. You see races where P2 is catching P1 by 0.XX secs per lap or if they;'re level pegging and you're watching the lap times, there's always the lap where the commentators (if they havent been paying attention) will wonder if one driver made a mistake, then correct themselves and say "oh no they were getting through traffic", or if they're on the ball they'll call it out before they get to them.
I agree in normal race conditions where they are spread out, the dirty air will slow P2 down. However after a safety car they'll be past 5 or 6 in a row down the first straight.
So what's the problem? There's no reason to make it easier for the chasing car. If P1 had to lap the cars then so should PW etc. It just seems additional faffery to get them to unlap themselves.
Imagine you're 2s behind the car in front, you've been lapped, they haven't. SC happens, now you're an entire lap behind and have zero chance of catching up whilst they're right up there with the car in front. It's not fair.
I maintain they should drop the lapped cars to the back instead of making them pass, and credit them a lap.
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I call shenanigans - Masi is spelt wrong!
(I'm joking, of course).
Some of the replies to the fake Michael Masi twitter account are funny. It's very obviously a fake account but so many people seem unable to work that out.
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Biggest problem with that is that you're crediting a car for a lap that it didn't have to drive around. So how does that square with the rules on reliability of parts, race distances completed and so on?
Doesn't seem like a problem worth worrying about to me. Safety cars already impact all of those things.
What is the difference between letting them pass, or dropping them back?
Achieves exactly the same result.
The only thing I firmly believe should happen, is that safety car and VSC should be the same, in that the time difference between places should remain.
So yes let lapped cars past, but if P1 was 5 seconds in front of P2 before the safety car, they should still be 5 secs in front when safety car pits and P1 crosses start line.
Only a Red flag and restart from grid should result in all gaps closing up.
Oh and pit lane should be shut totally throughout any VSC or SC period, except for damage repair, I.E front wing replacement, no tyres can be changed for anyone.
The difference is that dropping them to the back takes much less time, and doesn't require any additional laps of safety car to achieve.
Sorry I don't understand your example. How would you not be lapped yourself if you're 2s behind the car in front?
I agree it seems easier to let lapped cars drop back, if you insist!
Sorry I don't understand your example. How would you not be lapped yourself if you're 2s behind the car in front?
I agree it seems easier to let lapped cars drop back, if you insist!
Average lap time is over a minute, so if you are only 2 seconds behind the car in front, you will be on the same lap.
And I do not see how it takes any less time to let everyone drop back slowly, rather than let them overtake, go flat put till they return to the train, although in reality you only have to wait untill the last lapped car passes the safety car.
The safety car can then drop flashing lights and return to pits within a corner or two if timed right.
Dropping back requires every lapped car to drop back carefully and slowly till they are behind last car on the same lap as leader and then give safety car time to get to pits, and then faff with crediting a lap.
Sorry I don't understand your example. How would you not be lapped yourself if you're 2s behind the car in front?
Gah, sorry, obviously I mean "you've been lapped, they haven't". I've corrected the post.
Would be great but safety car is brought out to bunch up the pack to ensure you can recover cars slightly safer and Marshalls/trucks allowed enter the track with one group of cars every couple of minutes rather than a car every 10 seconds. But seeing the race paused and getting more action whilst this happened would be my preference.
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Yay the report says human error so Max needs to put an asterix next to the 1 on his car.
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No he doesn't, the result stands:
"In combination with the objective to finish under green flag racing conditions applied throughout the 2021 season, the report finds that the Race Director was acting in good faith and to the best of his knowledge given the difficult circumstances, particularly acknowledging the significant time constraints for decisions to be made and the immense pressure being applied by the teams."
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Human error championship lol
It clearly states that no other mechanism is available to change the result. That clearly implies following all the previous points that could they have been able to change the result they would have done - i.e. it was clearly Hamiltons championship, however there was no mechanism that would allow them to change it at this point in time. How anyone can read that report and still believe Verstappen deserved to win the race is beyond me.