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As some of you may be aware, the European Commision has approached F1 and are wanting a totally Electric support race to further technology and to promote electric cars to the public, to aid a faster switch over period from petrol.

EU Seeks Buzz from Electric Cars
The European Commission has asked Formula One’s governing body to set up a racing championship series for electric cars, as a way of increasing public awareness and excitement about new-technology vehicles.

Jean Todt, president of the Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile, told the Financial Times that the governing body was working with commissioners to create new electric car, go-kart and single-seater racing categories, raising the prospect of an F1-style electric car championship on Grand Prix circuits.

Mr Todt has set up an electric-car commission unit within the FIA, headed by Burkhard Goeschel, a former BMW director.

“We want as soon as possible to have new categories with new energy,” said Mr Todt, who added that a first season for electric car racing could come as early as 2013 and would be as global as the FIA could make it.

“As much as we can do it all over the world, we will do it,” he said.

The idea has been discussed by Mr Todt and Antonio Tajani, the European Union’s industry commissioner, who is pushing EU member countries to increase public adoption of electric cars.

“One of the priorities of my mandate is to give a concrete start to the ultimate conversion of the European car industry,” Mr Tajani, who discussed the idea of an Electric Grand Prix with Mr Todt during a visit to Paris in December said.

Mr Tajani said he hoped the event would use F1’s media muscle to stir consumers’ interest in electric vehicles.

Nissan, General Motors [GM 22.07 -0.96 (-4.17%) ] and PSA Peugeot Citroën have launched battery-powered models in the US, Japan and Europe.

More electric and plug-in hybrid cars are on their way from other groups, including Renault, Daimler and BMW but carmakers and policymakers say they will need big consumer subsidies and public investments in recharging infrastructure if they are to gain mass-market acceptance.

Mr Tajani in April published a road map for clean cars that, among a series of measures intended to help speed electric vehicles on to European roads, called for common electric chargers.

The EU has also made loans of more than €6 billion ($9.6 billion) to the industry via the European Investment Bank’s green car initiative.

Mr Tajani has warned about the dangers of losing ground to China, the US and other competitors that are revving up their plans to capture what could be an industry of the future.

The project fits into Mr Todt’s strategy for getting the teams of F1 and other motorsport series to embrace hybrid and electronic technology, and to use the global reach of F1 to foster better public understanding of issues such as green energy and road safety.

But he is meeting resistance from Bernie Ecclestone, F1’s commercial supremo, over his plan to introduce small-capacity turbocharged hybrid engines from the 2013 F1 season.

“The racing community are only interested in how to improve performance because they want to win,” Mr Todt said in a FT interview.

“If you speak to the boards of manufacturers they feel a strong interest to implement the technologies, which are not so obvious for the sporting community because it costs money and research and it doesn’t improve performance, and I understand that.”

Now a company has started designing and building a prototype

http://www.fondtechf-rev.com/
Formula REV is renowned motorsport aerodynamicist Jean-Claude Migeot and his engineering company FondTech’s vision of a future Racing Electric Vehicle (F-REV) championship.

Once completed early next year, FondTech’s initial F-REV concept – E-11 – will break new ground as the world’s first single-seater racing car conceived, designed, built and developed from the ground up to be wholly powered by electricity.

Utilising expertise gleaned from its four decades of Formula 1 and motorsport experience, FondTech and subsidiary Aerolab have spent the past three years researching the requirements of such a series, as well as developing the E-11. This is a result of the growing appetite within the industry and amongst the public to see motorsport embrace clean technology whilst maintaining current levels of performance, in this case a Formula 3 single-seater.

F-REV includes a number of radical ideas not widely embraced in single-seater racing before: an open championship unhindered by performance-curbing regulations which drives innovation through technological advance. E-11 is a first attempt at harnessing these properties.

In the spirit of competition FondTech has shared its findings with the Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile (FIA) who the company hopes will incorporate a similar vision into its own future all-electric series. Indeed, with the world governing body recently inviting tenders for such a championship, it is clear that this concept is gathering pace.

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Features:
•** *Split-level, custom design, carbon fibre chassis from front to rear axle: energy storage systems and powertrains housed in the lower part and driver’s survival cell in the upper one.
•** *Front and rear removable crash structures.
•** *Conventional push rod front and rear suspension layouts.
•** *Lithium-ion battery cells installed in three identical packs, easily removable from below.
•** *Four identical motors and reduction gears to driving shaft allowing 4WD and 4WRegeneration (final ratio adjustable).
•** *Four identical wheels echo E-11’s road car counterparts.
•** *Low drag and high efficiency aerodynamics with partially covered wheels, venturi-shaped sidepods, rear central diffuser and adjustable front and rear wings.
•** *Water cooled motors and inverters. Air cooled battery packs.
•** *Total weight, including driver, 800kg.

Performance:
•** *Max power in/out at the shafts: 300kW (limited to ~170kW max output)
•** *0 to 100km/h: 3.2secs
•** *Top speed: 260km/h
•** *Range: 50km (at racing speed – approximately 20min)

Timescale:
•** *February 2009
Initial ideas and discussions
Early computer simulations begin

•** *August 2009
Technical regulations drafted
Initial contact with the FIA
Car concept design ends

•** *September 2009
Aero development (CFD) begins

•** *December 2009
Power plant specified

•** *May 2010
Project E-11 commences

•** *July 2010
Battery cycles bench tested

•** *September 2010
E-11 specifications frozen
Suppliers identified

•** *March 2011
Mechanical design finalised

•** *June 2011
Motor and gearbox bench tested
Wind tunnel model tested (60% scale)

•** *July 2011
Detail design and chassis manufacturing begins

•** *January 2012** *** *** *
Car ready to begin testing

•** *July 2012** *** *** *** *
First public demonstrations

Now personally I'm really excited about this. Electric is the future and it offers the potential for much fast acceleration than petrol. as the technology is so "new" and lets be honest woefully inadequate(battery, energy recovery) there should be plenty of real development which has sorely been missing from F1 for a fair time.
However due to the height of the car, it looks fugly. Also with so many companies pushing electric cars, I can see a lot of interest for it.

http://www.formulec.org/en/projet_presentation.html
The Vision
Motor racing has always been the laboratory for and showcase of the most innovative technologies.

Formulec intends to become the sporting development platform for car makers and energy industrialists who seek to increase the performance of electrical vehicles.

With its partners and under the technical management of its engineering specialist SEGULA Matra Technologies, the automotive branch of SEGULA Technologies, Formulec has imagined and designed this first high-performance, fully electric single-seater, the EF01.

Since its first test run on 15th September 2010, the EF01 has proved to be a top-performer with very high potential.

This single-seater combines speed and efficiency with respect for the environment and sustainable development. In so doing, it foreshadows motor racing of tomorrow.

From 2011, as openers on numerous circuits throughout the world, the EF01 will make a promotional tour, sometimes in duels with combustion single-seaters in dramatic challenges.

A Formulec world series, of 10 events per year exclusively for the EF01, will be launched the following year, in 2012, and continue in 2013. This will enable drivers to measure themselves at the wheel of the EF01 throughout the world.

Soon a world championship will be organized for industrialists and car makers who have developed an electric single-seater.

These single-seaters must conform to the rules which will be based on all the technical and sporting lessons learned from the Formulec monotype world series.



The EF01 represents the combination of the best electric single-seater technologies.

It brings together performance and efficiency with respect for the environment and sustainable development.

It equals the performance of its prestigious cousin, the Formula 3, and its combustion engine.

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20-25mins run time depending on track
0-60 in 3 seconds
150mph top speed
 
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Hydrogen will never take off. It's to hard to produce, to hard to store and is a decade plus behind the leaders and won't catch up or on. most of the world has decided to use electric cars and that is where the governments backing is.
As for sound, it will be strange, but the racing and engineering, is much higher up the list than the sound. Although it may need a sound track. Saying that, that motor sounds like a turbine. Oh they need to hire a guy to put a music sound track over the top and delay transmision by about 5 minutes.
 
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Well since hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe I think it stands a chance ;)

And in 2012 there will be a Mercedes F600 Hygenius it's been doing raod tests for ages and Honda has a Hydro Car.

Many F1 tracks owners have already said they would pull out of F1 if leci cars are used
they even went mad when the FIA said that F1 should have a smaller engine for 2012

At the end of the day F1 does not need the FIA and can do away with them when they want to.
People love the sound and smell of a F1 car..nothing will ever replace it(well not for my life time)
 
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It's not replacing it, it's a support race. Not yet anyway. I have no doubt electric will become the top series, but thats a fair while away.
 
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High power electric motors sound okay (as said above kinda like a turbine), but there so damn quiet. Someone needs to figure out how to make them louder :)

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F-REV includes a number of radical ideas not widely embraced in single-seater racing before: an open championship unhindered by performance-curbing regulations which drives innovation through technological advance. E-11 is a first attempt at harnessing these properties.

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Well since hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe I think it stands a chance ;)

you can already get hydrogen units that can power an rc car instead of using nimh/lipo batteries.

they have 2-3 the running time of a high mah lipo but cost like 10x as much, i dont see hydrogen winning while its not getting any goverment backing to reduce costs like electric is
 
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they have 2-3 the running time of a high mah lipo but cost like 10x as much, i dont see hydrogen winning while its not getting any goverment backing to reduce costs like electric is

And this is the sticking point and why it has already lost.
The infrastructure for electric is getting funding and has already started to be rolled out, along with almost all car manufactures selling electric cars, or have one planed for imminent release. Then you have the problem of hydrogen production and storage.
Most people only drive a short distance and the long distance you can do a fast battery change, which is much faster than filling up with petrol.


Oops gone of topic and I really didn't want to go into the whole petrol vs electric vs hydrogen debate.

Just a new spec series with as it says unhindered performance regulations (for the time being)
 
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Perfect for a support race series

Start the race in the morning, pit for charge, let F1 go qualifying, go back out and finish the race in the afternoon :p
 
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•** *Range: 50km (at racing speed – approximately 20min)

So that's about 7 laps of spa then, or about a third of the GP2/3 race lengths, not counting any warm-up laps, or even really having much in the way of a margin to stop them running out, so realistically 5-6 laps...

Well I guess they won't have any problems fitting them in the schedule :p

On a slightly more serious note, the bike racing club I raced for last year (Bemsee) started running a few rounds of an electric bike racing series, from what I recall they generally had shorter races and needed to be first and last on the days schedule to allow charging between.

They are odd to watch as well, so quiet you can comfortably hold a conversation as they're going past, bit of a change from the proper bikes...

I can't see electric being the top series for a long long time, if ever, it's more likely that the top series will start to use biofuels/alcohol, imo.
 
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And there's another which has spent $500,000 (actually i think that's the same guy) on creating and storing hydrogen for personal use, still worse than batteries. At least with batteries you will have charging points, fast charging points, super fast charging points and battery swap stations. What's hydrogen going to have?
The appeal, infrastructure and more importantly funding isn't there. It's a format war and it's well and truly lost out to electric, governments have spoken, car manufactures have spoken.
 
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British F3 runs races of 20, 30 and 40 minutes. F3 Euro Series runs races between 70 and 100km. GP3 races run to 30 minutes.
 
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And there's another which has spent $500,000 (actually i think that's the same guy) on creating and storing hydrogen for personal use, still worse than batteries. At least with batteries you will have charging points, fast charging points, super fast charging points and battery swap stations. What's hydrogen going to have?
The appeal, infrastructure and more importantly funding isn't there. It's a format war and it's well and truly lost out to electric, governments have spoken, car manufactures have spoken.


You will have refueling stations the same as petrol stations. The way they refuel the Hydo car is nearly the same as petrol.

Here is a very short list http://www.fuelcells.org/info/charts/h2fuelingstations.pdf

If you fast charge a leci car the batteries will only last half there normal life.
Lets take the leci cars we have now they can do 250miles then need a 12 hour recharge.

Hydro car car just fills up when and needed. Todays leci car can only do 40mpg a VW Lupo turbo diesel can do 70mpg.
 
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I know about fuel cells, there is no hydrogen producing plants, a couple of prototypes in Germany, there are no hydrogen petrol stations,no grants for them and no support.
You can swap batteries, battery life isn't really an issue as you rent them.

Hydro/petrol fill up when needed and electric cars you simply swap the batteries which is actually faster than filling up.

How have you given an electric car an mpg, that makes no sense.

It's not that hydrogen is not viable. It's the fact that electric is ahead, has the grants and support and is getting the infrastructure. It has won the format war. Combined with the fact most people drive short distances and would only need ~10 battery swaps a year for longer distance travel. The rest is more than doable on recharging. Most people do a few miles to work, or to the shops. Well within the range of an electric car.
 
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Im sorry Acid, but electric cars are simply not the future. They are just the buzz word at the moment that conveniently fits with the whole 'green' image, whilst being incredibly un-green.
 
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