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I agree, we just need to do a lot more R&D into being able to use it as a fuel before it can really be said to be THE next fuel, but at least its able to be a fill up and go, unlike the current electric charge and wait four year idea.
FIA Formula E Championship
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I agree, we just need to do a lot more R&D into being able to use it as a fuel before it can really be said to be THE next fuel, but at least its able to be a fill up and go, unlike the current electric charge and wait four year idea.
Hydrogen has lost, fast recharge and high capacity batteries are on their way.
Europe, Japan, USA have already deicde electric has won and that is what the grants and infrastructure is being beguile around.
I haven't thought that way for ever, I made a thread in 2007 about future energies/renewables and I didn't think electric stood a chance. How wrong I was.
I think Hydrogen and Electricity both suffer from the same problems in the real world... they are both complete technological changes that require entire restructuring of the infrastructure. Basically, they are a massive leap.
Massive leaps are high risk.
I'm far more interested in hybrid stuff (of all shapes and sizes). Use internal combustion engines, and petrol, which we are all fammiliar with, but combine them with new technology to slowly, step by step, ween us off a reliance on petrol. A battery hybrid car that you only fill with petrol, but that does 100mpg easy with a 1.0l engine, but has the performance, practicality and (most importantly) price of a normal car is a much better first step.
But like I said, this is crunch time for the FIAs electric formula plans. They have asked manufacturers to put their money where their mouth is. We will just have to wait and see if all the talk actually turns into action.
Massive leaps are high risk.
I'm far more interested in hybrid stuff (of all shapes and sizes). Use internal combustion engines, and petrol, which we are all fammiliar with, but combine them with new technology to slowly, step by step, ween us off a reliance on petrol. A battery hybrid car that you only fill with petrol, but that does 100mpg easy with a 1.0l engine, but has the performance, practicality and (most importantly) price of a normal car is a much better first step.
But like I said, this is crunch time for the FIAs electric formula plans. They have asked manufacturers to put their money where their mouth is. We will just have to wait and see if all the talk actually turns into action.
This is true, but countries have spoken, chosen and are implementing one, not the other.
Got to agree with Skeeter, I don't think a support race next to F1 is the right place for this. As a support race next to GT racing though, it would be far better. Next to F1 it will be completely eclipsed, I don't remember the last time I ever heard anyone say anything about a support race at an F1 weekend but with things like GT racing, the event seems more about the whole weekend and the support races get talked about. Put it next to the loudest, fastest, most showbiz, big time racing Formula that the FIA have to offer and it's just going to look like a damp squib.
I'd also agree that a focus on hybrid cars would be a more useful start, they have a more directly applicable role in the here and now and retain everything that we all love about motor racing. I honestly don't think a bunch of nearly silent cars humming past will excite crowds the same way.
I'd also agree that a focus on hybrid cars would be a more useful start, they have a more directly applicable role in the here and now and retain everything that we all love about motor racing. I honestly don't think a bunch of nearly silent cars humming past will excite crowds the same way.
Glaucus, if I read that right, will the FIA be announcing a list of interested manufacturers in April next year?
And as for hybrid tech, Porsche are worth keeping your eye on, as are Williams with their KERS (which is what is in the Porsches). The ACO seem keen on getting hybrids in Le Mans too.
And as for hybrid tech, Porsche are worth keeping your eye on, as are Williams with their KERS (which is what is in the Porsches). The ACO seem keen on getting hybrids in Le Mans too.
Hopfully, they are making a list in April, with interested parties. I expect they will release it publicly but it doesn't say they will.
Did they publicly release the new f1 interested teams?
From that they'll have to go through a similar process of working out who actuall has the resources to get a car on the grid.
Remember EU(as part of their electric car marketing, research and implementation) is pushing the FIA to do this, so I wonder if there's any "grants"
Hybrids seem the sensiable approach ATM, but they aren't. They are a stop gap that will die before they take off. Sure companies can shift small amounts. But by the time they have any thing resembling an indent in market share, electric will be overtaking it and on its way to domination.
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This was what I was wondering. I would be very interested in seeing who has put their name down. But if its like the F1 teams (which werent anounced untill well after the selection was done) then we will likely not get to see
This was what I was wondering. I would be very interested in seeing who has put their name down. But if its like the F1 teams (which werent anounced untill well after the selection was done) then we will likely not get to see
Hopfully they'll go public themselves.
One has already said they are interested. Cant remeber name Green gt looking car, which holds the record 160mph iirc.
Fond tech I assume would be interested as well, be stupid if they weren't.
Urm, no... unless you're talking about internal hydrogen combustion, then hydrogen cars are electric cars. Just with a different energy source. The electric drive train is the future - that much we can be pretty much sure of. There is still some debate about whether the on-board energy source will be hydrogen or batteries, however the developments over the last few years are strongly suggesting batteries over H fuel cells. Electric cars are the future.
Lola-Drayson B12/69EV
http://www.lolacars.com/newsstory.asp?NewsId=360
http://www.emotorsportnews.com/team...drayson-electric-lmp-car-officially-revealed/
http://www.thechargingpoint.com/news/Pure-electric-racer-is-as-fast-as-a-Formula-1-car.html
Not sure how true this one is, seeing as FIA haven't agreed anything yet.
http://www.torquenews.com/1079/confirmation-lola-drayson-racer-will-participate-formula-e
Also American le mans series wants an electric series as well. To devlop and get public use to the electric transport change over.
First demo car
http://www.insideline.com/audi/alms-imsa-racings-future-is-electric.html
http://www.lolacars.com/newsstory.asp?NewsId=360
http://www.emotorsportnews.com/team...drayson-electric-lmp-car-officially-revealed/
http://www.thechargingpoint.com/news/Pure-electric-racer-is-as-fast-as-a-Formula-1-car.html
Not sure how true this one is, seeing as FIA haven't agreed anything yet.
http://www.torquenews.com/1079/confirmation-lola-drayson-racer-will-participate-formula-e
Also American le mans series wants an electric series as well. To devlop and get public use to the electric transport change over.
First demo car
http://www.insideline.com/audi/alms-imsa-racings-future-is-electric.html
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See, now that I get.
Now Lola just need to use what they learn from this to build a petrol (or diesel) hybrid that will be able to compete at Le Man's for the full 24 hours but making half as many pit stops.
Using the batteries as a structural component is a clever idea. Goes against the fast swap battery idea though?
Now Lola just need to use what they learn from this to build a petrol (or diesel) hybrid that will be able to compete at Le Man's for the full 24 hours but making half as many pit stops.
Using the batteries as a structural component is a clever idea. Goes against the fast swap battery idea though?
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Yep, but as the series is going to be ~30 min support race, no need to swap batteries.
Also with induction charging, there's extreme fast charge batteries under devlopment, we will have to wait and see if they make it to production.
But that's why we need such E sport. To realy drive forward and test these technologies.
Also with induction charging, there's extreme fast charge batteries under devlopment, we will have to wait and see if they make it to production.
But that's why we need such E sport. To realy drive forward and test these technologies.
It's about the third and the others are single seater open cockpit.
FIA as far as I'm aware still haven't set rules, so I would take their entry with a pinch of salt.
Would be nice if it was a bit of a free for all though. With teams converging on similar deign after a few years.
Also think its safe to say Toyota will of put an entry in
http://doctorvee.co.uk/tag/formula-e/
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I thought April as well butSo guess we're in stage 3! But then the other FIA document says
Perhaps they had so much interest they didn't need to wait till April. I wish companies would say if they applied.
Kleenspeed also sound interested in helping FIA and said they may field their own team.
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Most high end racecar engines are structural components and have been since 1966 with the Lotus 43 and the BRM H16.
They got swapping F1 engines down to about 12 minutes at one point in the early 00's iirc. Batteries in theory have fewer connections so may well be even speedier.
