FIFA 15
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Agreed Rusty, it's mainly a supply problem.
Looking back to previous years (I'm thinking 12 or 13) a lot of the high end players were fairly cheap. I can remember Ibra, Robben and Ribery being sub 60k and this was due to card weights/larger supply of these players. I'm sure Messi was down to ~800k on 12 or 13.
EA have been a bit sly and obviously reduced the chances of obtaining the best players and altered the card weightings which is why the prices are so high. High demand/low supply = ridiculous prices.
The result of this is a lot more people buying a lot more packs than previous years. I can only guess that EA have set targets for profits to be generated by FIFA/UT. Ever noticed when it's a crap TOTW that they release megapacks/offers/24hr 10 packs only!!!!11 crap.
Looking back to previous years (I'm thinking 12 or 13) a lot of the high end players were fairly cheap. I can remember Ibra, Robben and Ribery being sub 60k and this was due to card weights/larger supply of these players. I'm sure Messi was down to ~800k on 12 or 13.
EA have been a bit sly and obviously reduced the chances of obtaining the best players and altered the card weightings which is why the prices are so high. High demand/low supply = ridiculous prices.
The result of this is a lot more people buying a lot more packs than previous years. I can only guess that EA have set targets for profits to be generated by FIFA/UT. Ever noticed when it's a crap TOTW that they release megapacks/offers/24hr 10 packs only!!!!11 crap.
I think if they closed the web app then it would sort a massive amount of the problems.
However the in-game market functionality would need greatly improved.
I buy anything cheap to trade , right now i have between 3 and 4k contracts to sell.
I would like to be able to select to transfer list these BUT instead of manually listing one at a time why can't i select to list 80 of them at 400 and it all gets listed with one click.
It is very tiresome trying to list things via the console. Having to hold in the joystick to get to the correct value etc then "rinse and repeat" . It really should be sorted . There is so much room for improvement on it.
However the in-game market functionality would need greatly improved.
I buy anything cheap to trade , right now i have between 3 and 4k contracts to sell.
I would like to be able to select to transfer list these BUT instead of manually listing one at a time why can't i select to list 80 of them at 400 and it all gets listed with one click.
It is very tiresome trying to list things via the console. Having to hold in the joystick to get to the correct value etc then "rinse and repeat" . It really should be sorted . There is so much room for improvement on it.
Yeah I have been saying the same since FIFA 13. It's a good idea the webapp but it is the main source of the woes.
I disagree (with Rusty)
a. if they buy packs they get players (who they need to sell or get someone they want) - means more players on market - prices will decline
b. they probably buy less as prices are higher for packs
c. people buying coins inflate prices as they are just buying players therefore prices go up... (no new cards on market)
As mentioned before I don't like what EA do; but feel that players cheating the system to get cheap coins to buy whoever is something I also think is bad...
Shutting down webapp is a good idea that may help aswell....
Also maybe do away with market altogether - you can only buy packs - that way each team would be more unique
a) only good players worth a thousand or more really go back onto the market of which the drop rate is way, way too low - see point about supply;
b) I don't understand your point here;
c) not a coherent point because people do buy a lot of packs with coins as well - unless you can quantify it (which you or I cannot) then the point doesn't stand;
Buying coins or buying packs is the same thing. Just because EA enable one method doesn't make it cheating or wrong. If you open up a pay to play model you have to ensure you're ready to combat the sale of that same currency. It's a difficult one and in all games with virtual currency you can 'buy' it online so it's not really anything you can shut down.
What EA can do to combat the coin selling industry is change the supply model of players because the way it is at the moment, if you buy packs with money, you're pretty much wasting your money. Everybody who plays FUT knows this hence the demand for coins.
Coin sellers can only sell coins in the market already. If we assume that the coins being sold are gained legitimately (for the moment) then there is a finite amount of coins that can be bought / sold. The reason there are so many coins in the game is because:
a) so many packs are opened
b) so many players play FUT that the amount of match coins is high
Ignoring exploits, you can't just make coins out of thin air. You either have to open a pack or play a match so coin sellers are only selling what's there. They aren't massively increasing the amount of coins coming into the market because those coins exist anyway. Obviously there were exploits to generate coins and this will affect things but not to the degree of the price rises we see now.
The market is an integral part of FUT and is implicit in the cash model they make so much from. It won't ever disappear IMO.
a. not true and you cannot quantify - I sell all players I have had in packs...
b. if prices of buying packs is higher then people wont be able to afford / want to afford to buy them or buy as many
c. we cant quantify it - but when you look at this thread and the amount of millions of coins bought I think we can get a picture of it....
Again we both have opinions and nothing can be totally proved...
Bottom line for me is I don't like that people can cheat the game by buying cheap millions of coins to buy the best players instead of using the ingame currency (which again I dislike but EA wont stop it)
b. if prices of buying packs is higher then people wont be able to afford / want to afford to buy them or buy as many
c. we cant quantify it - but when you look at this thread and the amount of millions of coins bought I think we can get a picture of it....
Again we both have opinions and nothing can be totally proved...
Bottom line for me is I don't like that people can cheat the game by buying cheap millions of coins to buy the best players instead of using the ingame currency (which again I dislike but EA wont stop it)
I ain't seen these at all
This happened loads yesterday but I had to record conceding to this.
I can't watch , says its private!
It is true. Watch YouTubers and speak to loads of people who play FUT. It's rarer for people to sell everything (especially now everything that comes out of packs is 99% worthless). At the beginning then, yes, people sell everything but not now. You saying you that you sell everything is fine but it's anecdotal and therefore does not stand up in this type of discussion. It's all tangential anyway because the price of Matty Jarvis being say a 1000 coins doesn't affect the value of Robben being 750k coins. That's down to low supply and high demand which is how it should be but I think it's way, way too skewed.
FUT follows the very principles of supply and demand (as Pen66 says above) like all markets though so I can be relatively assured of what I'm saying. I don't really outright disagree with anything you're saying but a lot of it is a tad fallacious and just regurgitated forum chat. If you look at it, the mass majority of it comes down to supply.
It's only cheating the game because EA says it is. It's exactly the same process but EA just allow you to do it 'legally' through them.
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Cheat the game?
I thought your issue was facing sweaty cheap Doumbia and Ibarbo squads all the time anyway? Buying the "better" players doesn't make you better at the game.
The market is worse than last year and EA have been more strict this time round, the problem isn't just with people buying coins, it's the autobuyers and the coin farmers who can win matches instantly, even if they banned the buyers/sellers you would have a market controlled by the few real cheaters using software to win auctions and games, that would be far worse than allowing them to offload coins like they do now. I don't know about the consoles but some peoples match earnings on PC are mental:
I thought your issue was facing sweaty cheap Doumbia and Ibarbo squads all the time anyway? Buying the "better" players doesn't make you better at the game.
The market is worse than last year and EA have been more strict this time round, the problem isn't just with people buying coins, it's the autobuyers and the coin farmers who can win matches instantly, even if they banned the buyers/sellers you would have a market controlled by the few real cheaters using software to win auctions and games, that would be far worse than allowing them to offload coins like they do now. I don't know about the consoles but some peoples match earnings on PC are mental:
Rusty r economist?
It is sad / annoying how unattainable Messi / Ronaldo / Ibra and even Robben this year are to not even the average player but 99.9% of the player base - I mean, I have bought the equivalent of about £120 of packs and only have about 600k total. The fact that prices stay so high all year round certainly suggests a supply issue tbh.
In Fifa 12, Ronaldo came down to ~450k and Messi ~350k. I know because I had them both. Ibra and Ribery were around 60k. The good ol' days...
It is sad / annoying how unattainable Messi / Ronaldo / Ibra and even Robben this year are to not even the average player but 99.9% of the player base - I mean, I have bought the equivalent of about £120 of packs and only have about 600k total. The fact that prices stay so high all year round certainly suggests a supply issue tbh.
In Fifa 12, Ronaldo came down to ~450k and Messi ~350k. I know because I had them both. Ibra and Ribery were around 60k. The good ol' days...
Rusty r economist?
It is sad / annoying how unattainable Messi / Ronaldo / Ibra and even Robben this year are to not even the average player but 99.9% of the player base - I mean, I have bought the equivalent of about £120 of packs and only have about 600k total. The fact that prices stay so high all year round certainly suggests a supply issue tbh.
In Fifa 12, Ronaldo came down to ~450k and Messi ~350k. I know because I had them both. Ibra and Ribery were around 60k. The good ol' days...
I have a PPE degree if that helps... and I work... as a business analyst. Urgh
Yeah Ribery and Ibra were well within reach in FIFA 12. As were all of the top players bar Ronaldo and Messi but even they weren't the ludicrous millions they are now.
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