FIFA World Cup 2014 - GROUP B [Spain, Netherlands, Chile, Australia - 13/18/23 June] **spoilers**

I have Moses on ignore but was reading the forum without being signed in, but want to draw attention to something he said;

Moses said:
Obviously those fans shouldn't have done that, but I fear they'll be harshly treated by the Brazilians/will get disproportionately harsh punishments. Isn't that something FIFA mandates? Crimes to do with the World Cup have to be dealt with quickly and harshly... I'm sure I remember case from South Africa where the punishment was ridic...
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You mean the FIFA court? (I remember the Guardian article)

I remember (vaguely) that FIFA set up the 'FIFA Courts' for South Africa (I can't remember anything prior to that, or at least without some research (I'm not going to email anyone at this hour) but FIFA are horrible and terrible and their grip and changes to country's laws is genuinely scary.

Two men were arrested, jailed and sentenced to 15 years within three days.

FIFA deciding on punishments in a court is very scary.

FIFA also forced Brasil to change their law on alcohol in side the grounds, a law that was passed to reduce related deaths due to public safety problems, FIFA are just awful.
 
Unfortunately I do Moses;

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You and cm1179, are part of a very special group. I literally pay no attention to either of you 99% of the time.

I was actually hoping you'd reply with something more intelligent or interesting and not be petty, oh well.

FIFA are terrible though and it does make you wonder if FIFA do take action against those fans (and hope that it's a rational response) and what it will be.
 
Looking forward to Costa linking up with Torres at Chelsea - hopefully they'll be as prolific in the Premier League as they have been in this tournament.

(AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA)
 
Hellsmk2 said:
Looking forward to Costa linking up with Torres at Chelsea - hopefully they'll be as prolific in the Premier League as they have been in this tournament.

(AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA)
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It would be more funny if him and Torres don't play for Spain again after this and are both awful for Chelsea :p.
 
mmj_uk said:
The pundits kept banging on about Spain's two missed chances that could have got them a draw but Chile had at least half a dozen chances that they fluffed in and around the box, they could easily have beat Spain by the same margin as the Netherlands did if they had been as ruthless.
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That's pundits for you, exaggerating the virtues of the big teams/players and downplaying that of the lesser teams/players.

Take for example Messi's goal the other night. The commentators were using lines like "back to his usual best" and "typical Messi". Not once did they mention his shot took a vital deflection that otherwise would have seen it go wide.

Had that been a South Korean player they would have said stuff like "Not to take anything away from the shot but it took a vital deflection" etc.
 
Wow Del Bosque seems, from interviews/articles, to have absolutely no clue how they have gone out. I know why, he took over a great team with a great plan.... change as little as possible. So he did that, and a brilliant team of almost exclusively in form at the top of their game players won two more cups. When many of these players had done significantly, massively less well in the past 2 years, he did exactly nothing, he still had a plan of change nothing, do nothing different, expecting the same result.

He still apparently can't spot that ALonso isn't the player he was 4 years ago, he was utterly ineffective, he's been ineffective for a couple years, yet can't see it and can't tell this is one of the reasons they've gone out.

He won a bunch with Real at the beginning of the Galacticos era... but they added what, Figo, Zidane, Ronaldo, and had Anelka, McManaman, Makelele, Carlos, and some others. He had an epic squad with several of the best players in the world. But could anyone NOT have won stuff with that team? Every team basically that started to spend that much and bought the best players.... won everything. Lazio with Sven who has done nothing elsewhere, Mancini at a couple clubs either with no competition(Inter) or with loads of money, and has been crap elsewhere.

He was apparently loved by the players because he basically let them do what they wanted... which seems to be pretty much what he's done with the Spanish team.

He's done the equivalent of going into the World cup with Cleverley, Rio, Cole(ish), David James, starting Rooney upfront over Sturridge, refusing to play Sterling, starting say Johnson/Young or Milner, starting Parker as DM. Out of form or past it players, some of who were brilliant at their best, but just aren't now, others who shouldn't really be there on merit

He's taken a whole host of players that are either in terrible form or simply past it completely, you might put a couple those players in for an emergency but with such poor form still shouldn't be starting, others who shouldn't be int he squad. If Hodgson took Parker because up to a couple years ago he was great, or started Rio because he used to be brilliant, he'd be crucified. Brazil are one of the only other teams to pick such a stupid team, Paulinho... what, I've literally never seen him have a good game, a goal, sure, a good 70+ mins, not even close. Fernandinho is 10 times the player he is. Fred... seriously? Somewhat of the same problem, just really poor squad choices.
 
It's fine to do that if Xavi performed the same this season as 4 seasons ago but, much as I absolutely loved him at his best, he isn't that player any more. He did Xavi no favours by pretending he was still good enough, taking him, watching him fail, dropping him and watching the team fail. Xavi/Alonso/some others will probably get more of the blame than Del Bosque, but who is going to turn it down the call up. AS much as it must suck as a manager to tell Xavi he's no longer required, leaving him to be a 3 time international champion rather than one of the reasons they sucked so bad in his last tournament is kinder.

Costa is good, much better than he showed but well, Ronaldo and Messi look dodgy after injuries, any player can. Costa hasn't at any stage in the past 2 months looked fit enough or sharp enough to play. But the delivery in to him was woeful, he'll unfairly get tagged with a large portion of the blame most likely. Could be the kind of world cup that finishes his international career before it really starts, which makes picking Spain over Brazil even more ironic, he'd work better in that team tbh.

More odd was dropping Fabregas who was great as a false 9 in '12, for a clear as day unfit striker.
 
Never liked Del Bosque after Euro 2012, thought he was using terrible tactics and still ended up winning the tournament due to the amazing squad he had at his disposal.

The fact the writing was on the wall from the Confeds last year and he learned nothing from it tells u just how stubborn of a manager he is. Xavi has been well passed it for 2 years and the same for Casillas and Torres and still brings them and plays them in the team.

It was coming since last Summer and he just couldn't see it. Same thing happened to Lippi in 2010, showed to much loyalty to players that brought him success before and didn't change them when it was clear they would not be good enough this time around.
 
lucarocks92 said:
Never liked Del Bosque after Euro 2012, thought he was using terrible tactics and still ended up winning the tournament due to the amazing squad he had at his disposal.

The fact the writing was on the wall from the Confeds last year and he learned nothing from it tells u just how stubborn of a manager he is. Xavi has been well passed it for 2 years and the same for Casillas and Torres and still brings them and plays them in the team.

It was coming since last Summer and he just couldn't see it. Same thing happened to Lippi in 2010, showed to much loyalty to players that brought him success before and didn't change them when it was clear they would not be good enough this time around.
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I get quite irked when managers like him win things like world cups, Aragones changed the national team to what it was, the style the squad, moving on the older players like Raul who was still effective well beyond when spain started winning things. Guardiola gets all the credit but Aragones was the guy implementing tiki taka with the national team for a few years with Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol and others before Guardiola took over at Barca, Guardiola had a half a team playing that style for the national team for 4 years who won a cup the summer he took over.

Bosque did almost nothing, changed nothing significant, made a couple minor changes that appear to be not playing people he decided not to like. I think the majority of managers could have gone in, changed almost nothing and won the next two cups, when it came time to actually make changes he's failed as badly as you can really.
 
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