Poll: Fight: steven seagal v JCVD - Who do you think would win?

Who would win?

  • Steven Seagal

    Votes: 196 44.5%

  • JCVD

    Votes: 244 55.5%
  • Total voters
    440
sigma said:
So basically you're full of **** you're more blinkered than any of the people you refer to (who actually admit that traditional martial arts aren't the be all and end all).

Why bother even posting?
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Do you know what a homeopath is or understand why someone doesn't need to be an expert in homeopathy specifically in order to be dismissive of it.
 
Yeah, alternative medicine, what does that have to do with martial arts?

And you say I'm pulling the straw man?

Apologies if I wrongly interpreted you, what were you on about when you said non-resisting opponent?
 
sigma said:
Yeah, alternative medicine, what does that have to do with martial arts?

And you say I'm pulling the straw man?

Apologies if I wrongly interpreted you, what were you on about when you said non-resisting opponent?
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your post directly quoted my post giving an example of why you don't need to be an expert in a specific area in order to....

and yes you did pull a rather large straw man out and tried to paint the picture that I'm critical of all traditional martial arts
 
dowie said:
your post directly quoted my post giving an example of why you don't need to be an expert in a specific area in order to....
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They're slightly different though. Mainly as 10 seconds reading about homeopathy would make any intelligent person think twice. I'm not sure how, from the outside, you could feel the same about Aikido. Unless you're reliant on the fact it isn't 'used' in competitions as your sole argument.

Also, I too would like you to define a non-resisting opponent.
 
dowie said:
your post directly quoted my post giving an example of why you don't need to be an expert in a specific area in order to....

and yes you did pull a rather large straw man out and tried to paint the picture that I'm critical of all traditional martial arts
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OK, fair enough, I take that back; I painted the wrong picture. :)

What were you referring to? Your post #291 wasn't exactly full of information.
 
meghatronic said:
I'm not sure how, from the outside, you could feel the same about Aikido. Unless you're reliant on the fact it isn't 'used' in competitions as your sole argument.
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That is the main point and really shouldn't be dismissed so easily. It would be like a homeopathy practitioner* stating 'Unless you're reliant on the fact it doesn't stand up to a double blind test as your sole argument.' then coming up with lots of reasons about why double blind tests aren't applicable.

I've already stated I believe Aikido has some useful wrist locks and you've already pointed out that they're good for teaching restraint techniques. It might well be fun to train in the art, it probably keeps people fit, instills discipline etc..etc.. these are all good things and I'm not dismissing them. I'm not trying to 'hate on' aikido as some might put it. You'll no doubt be good at learning to fall, anticipating an attack etc.. too

But we're in a thread which started out - aikido practitioner vs......

And I've not seen very much evidence of aikido being particularly effective in that context.

IMHO for the purposes of self defence you'd benefit more from a few weeks of Judo than from a year or two of aikido. Lots of multiple point of contact throws against a full resisting opponent vs lots of single point of contact throws against a compliant/semi-compliant uke - yes it looks impressive but its partially role play.

(*yes I'm using it as an example again and I understand you're also equally skeptical of homeopathy)
 
sigma said:
OK, fair enough, I take that back; I painted the wrong picture. :)

What were you referring to? Your post #291 wasn't exactly full of information.
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It wasn't intended to be full of information tbh... I'm happy to stick with the armchair samurai label - as I'm not about to get into a 'lets compare dicks' type posts re: experience/grades.
 
dowie said:
I'm not about to get into a 'lets compare dicks' type posts re: experience/grades.
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I don't think it's anything of the sort, it just helps to paint a picture of who you are talking to.

Does it mean one person is 'better' than the other? Of course not.

Does it help you to see why that person has the opinions that they do? Yes.

To pick you up on the role-playing once again:


Are they not resisting?

When I did Jiu Jitsu we did plenty of role-playing but then we also did full on throws, locks, groundwork etc where the higher grades would pwn us. :(

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dowie said:
It wasn't intended to be full of information tbh...
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So how can you pick me up on making an assumption from your post if it was a vague post?
 
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As an aside Judo is a traditional martial art as is Muay Thai.

FWIW the trend these days for awarding coloured belts in "traditional" martial arts stems from a Judo club in London - the Budokwai started it - it was then adopted by the Kodokan in Japan and now we've got a situation today where lots of different 'traditional' eastern fighting styles award students these coloured belts (first introduced in London).
 
Castiel said:
I see so a no-name magazine quote from Brazil, quoted on a highly biased forum has more veracity than Silva himself talking in an interview.....:rolleyes:



What is your martial arts experience again...?
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Vale Tudo Portal "a no-name magazine"

Castiel said:
HurfDurf.....are you in competition?
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I'm not going to out myself on this forum as I have posted what I do for a living else where, but yes, I train with the sport of MMA in mind.
 
sigma said:
To pick you up on the role-playing once again:


Are they not resisting?
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I really wouldn't call that 'alive' training no. (And I'll refer back to the video I previously posted.)

This is also a useful guide though the links are now seemingly broken:

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=70153

When I did Jiu Jitsu we did plenty of role-playing but then we also did full on throws, locks, groundwork etc where the higher grades would pwn us. :(
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You likely didn't train in Jiu Jitsu - its as rare as rocking horse **** - you likely trained in a style developed by a white person that is a bastardised mix of Judo and Aikido and is called Jui Jitsu - or as one of the prevalent bodies in the UK calls it - simply 'Jitsu'.
 
dowie said:
I really wouldn't call that 'alive' training no. (And I'll refer back to the video I previously posted.)
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Perhaps not, but they're certainly not complying ukes!

I've done Jiu Jitsu moves on people who have never done it before and they instinctively moved in a way to minimise the pain, as you do when role-playing.


dowie said:
You likely didn't train in Jiu Jitsu - its as rare as rocking horse **** - you likely trained in a style developed by a white person that is a bastardised mix of Judo and Aikido and is called Jui Jitsu - or as one of the prevalent bodies in the UK calls it - simply 'Jitsu'.
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Whatever it was, it had too many throws and rolling for my liking. I want to learn groundwork, not for a street fighting perspective, more for a human chess game. I believe BJJ is what I need for that.
 
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I just went onto a random page on the random image thread (random or what!) and this was the first picture:
steven-seagull-590x426.jpg


:D
 
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