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They really don't appear 'from nowhere'. If you're blind on a bend, that's a hazard, and a vehicle could suddenly emerge. It didn't come from nowhere, it came round the bend, which you've recognized as a hazard and adjusted your speed and road positioning for in anticipation of such a vehicle.
Ditto parked cars.
It's perfectly possible to maintain focus on the road ahead and have a good amount of information as to what's behind you. I'm not talking about staring in your mirrors, I'm talking about keeping abreast of all the information around you. This is called paying attention.
And a motorcyclist who goes from being completely invisible to besides your side window in 'a second', is almost certainly breaking the law. A lot.
Lots of cycles / bikes suddenly appear when they have been swerving in and out of traffic from one lane to another 'Filtering' their way forward thus making any car / lorry etc driver unsure where they will appear next!!
Biggest issue is when there is terrible visability and slow moving traffic and suddenly a motorcyclist comes hurtling between you out of a cloud of spray!!
Seen a cyclist the other day weaving from one lane to the other, in and out of traffic, no slowing down at all and a bus up ahead was indicating left but the cyclist decided he could beat it and hurtled down the left hand side of it but he misjudged it and hit the corner front of the bus!! Now, we all seen that the bus was turning and yet this guy decided he could undertake the bus by not slowing down and paid for it!!
Biggest issue is when there is terrible visability and slow moving traffic and suddenly a motorcyclist comes hurtling between you out of a cloud of spray!!
Seen a cyclist the other day weaving from one lane to the other, in and out of traffic, no slowing down at all and a bus up ahead was indicating left but the cyclist decided he could beat it and hurtled down the left hand side of it but he misjudged it and hit the corner front of the bus!! Now, we all seen that the bus was turning and yet this guy decided he could undertake the bus by not slowing down and paid for it!!
If it looks and feels safe, it probably is to the sensible rider, however, I have been sitting three or four cars back sometimes and some loon, you know the sort, no real clobber on, in tracky trousers, comes whizzing through on a twist and go....and then proceeds to hold the flow up when the lights go green, as he is stuck at about 32mph.
!!!! I used four....that must make me more right.....
!!!! I used four....that must make me more right.....
haha me too, on an island going into a car park with the cars not moving
, but I don't filter otherwise as I don't feel that it is safe enoughI think your taking the phase "from nowhere" literally. Both "could suddenly emerge", and "appear to come from nowhere" can be used to mean the same thing in this context.
Also your example of the on-coming bend wasn't what I was referring to. I was referring to from behind. Mirrors only give you a limited view, and its very easy for vehicles to appear between glances. Its happened to me many times. Yes I do pay attention to the road and my surroundings.
No they can't. If something actually appeared from nowhere, then you'd be absolutely excused for not seeing it in time to avoid it.
When you are stuck in slow moving traffic, you have to assume that a cyclist or biker may be filtering and you may not be able to see them approach from very far back, so you have to make doubly sure your path is clear before making a manoeuvre. If a cyclist does appear, they will have appeared from somewhere behind you, not from "nowhere".
"It came from nowhere" doesn't wash. As soon as someone says that I am 99% sure they simply didn't look -which is a reasonable assumption as large proportion of road simply don't bother to look, or "look without seeing" in situations where they should be anticipating problems.
Equating two phrases that don't mean the same thing is pretty pointless. Any hazard on the roads can be 'sudden'. Doesn't mean it can't be anticipated.
Once again, just because something suddenly happens, doesn't mean it can't be anticipated. Any advanced rider / driver will tell you that the trick is to be prepared for things to happen, and not to be caught out by them. Admitting that something 'came out of nowhere' means you weren't paying enough attention to anticipate that event.
Second week of being on my bike after passing, i was filtering happily at about 10mph traffic had stopped. I nearly made it to the front when a car door swung open. This guy about 40 looks out and says to me "you can wait".
My brakes worked fine thankgod, and i was only doing like 10mph.
My brakes worked fine thankgod, and i was only doing like 10mph.
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I'd have reported the t**t for that.
Edit: Assuming I could have resisted laying him out on the floor
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Not a lot you can do about that. You really do have to keep two fingers on the brake when filtering. Most people on my commute are rather nice and shuffle out of the way if there's not enough room, but the occasional muppet that changes lanes without signalling/looking can cause proper issues.
*edit* alternative is fit a 110db horn, pull right up to his door stopping it from closing and sit there with the horn on.
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first - go right round the roundabout doing a full loop so you have priority when you come round to turn to the original left turning.
i.e. a 430 degree loop of the roundabout.does that make sense? works even better in a car as you can't filter with them lol.
be wary about undertaking - never go quick enough that you can't make a quick movement for people doing exactly the same thing as you! can be done easily but make sure your observation is up to scratch!
Not a lot you can do about that. You really do have to keep two fingers on the brake when filtering. Most people on my commute are rather nice and shuffle out of the way if there's not enough room, but the occasional muppet that changes lanes without signalling/looking can cause proper issues.
*edit* alternative is fit a 110db horn, pull right up to his door stopping it from closing and sit there with the horn on.
Or, keep his door wedged open, do a quick burnout, and fill his car with the smell of melted rubber
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Not a lot you can do about that. You really do have to keep two fingers on the brake when filtering. Most people on my commute are rather nice and shuffle out of the way if there's not enough room, but the occasional muppet that changes lanes without signalling/looking can cause proper issues.
*edit* alternative is fit a 110db horn, pull right up to his door stopping it from closing and sit there with the horn on.
The obvious one here would be to take his keys out the ignition and throw them as far as you can, close his door then ride off.
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Only had that happen once, just stopped in time before I hit his door (he'd waited until the last moment to open the door).
He then had to wait until the traffic moved off again before he could close his door as my wheel was in the way, shame it was raining really
I hope I never come across anyone like that. Fortunately I rarely have to do any filtering on my commute.
He then had to wait until the traffic moved off again before he could close his door as my wheel was in the way, shame it was raining really
That kinda makes it worth it, probably made him even more annoyed
I have to filter every day either on my bike or motorbike in London, you just get used to it as a flow around things. Everyone does it on two wheels including police and ambulance bikes.
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What an utter ***. I think I would have lost the plot a bit
You and me both.