Firing someone

[Rroff]

That is a great tactic

Problem was that was his management style through and through - very cunning at manipulating people but ultimately turned everyone against him, loads of good staff left, staff moral plummeted and in the end he showed himself the door.

 

[shauncr91]

How did they pass the probation period if they are totally incompetent?

 

[The Running Man]

Do it by text; )

Not.

 

[wndsr]

How did they pass the probation period if they are totally incompetent?

I've seen so many people in departments within the FS industry who should not have been in control of their own lunch money, never mind other peoples money.

 

[regulus]

I've seen so many people in departments within the FS industry who should not have been in control of their own lunch money, never mind other peoples money.

That's because HR or hiring managers are CV whores. Fixated on irrelevant things without really digging into someone.

 

[wndsr]

That's because HR or hiring managers are CV whores. Fixated on irrelevant things without really digging into someone.

Definitely. My CV says all sorts of rubbish, anybody would think I'm professional when in reality I'm just an angry northerner in a poorly fitting suit.

 

[Rroff]

How did they pass the probation period if they are totally incompetent?

Not pointing fingers at the OP but I've worked for a few companies in the past where they are so disorganised or organisation is so complex the probation period has past before problems have got to the relevant people and corresponding action actually taken, then you get some people who manage to scrape by for awhile until how incompetent they really are comes to light i.e. taking credit for other people's work, etc.

 

[Ragnahex]

i hate firing people but hey what needs to be done needs to be done. Not everybody is right for every business

 

[mattyg]

This is the advantage of suspending someone first. You can then hold a disciplinary meeting and fire them by letter

 

[doofer]

You're firing this person for being incompetent at their job and being completely oblivious to their poor performance and failings, surely this is ideal grounds for them being promoted to a Managerial position.

 

[Lightnix]

Do what Alan Sugar does.

Came here to say this. "You're fired." Make sure you have the overly grandiose orchestral music playing in the background, too.

 

[dowie]

How did they pass the probation period if they are totally incompetent?

some managers are pretty incompetent too... presumably the OP inherited this team member

 

[Mr^B]

How did they pass the probation period if they are totally incompetent?

There's no probation period, the new 2 year unfair dismissal laws cover most of the legalities that probationary periods tried (and failed) to cover.

They were inherited and immediately put onto performance management.

I was not present at the interviews.

 

[subbytna]

Clear the person's desk overnight and instruct everyone in the workplace to act as if the person never existed. Pretend you don't know their name, who they are or where they are supposed to be on that day.

If they kick up a fuss, call the police and say you have an intruder who is experiencing delusions and may need sectioning under the Mental Health Act for their own protection.

You win the internetz for today

 

[sadjo]

For goodness sake though, make sure you do the sacking with someone as a witness, and share a write up of the event with each other with the other person replying 'I agree this is a fair and honest reflection of events' so it is there as evidence.

Good advice.
I'd do it in an extremely polite and friendly way so that the person being fired has no excuse to show negative reaction. I would also add some lipservice. That I hope to work with the person one day in different conditions, that I hope or I am sure he will be successful in his future carreer. Even a handshake.

 

[Flying_Hellfish]

When is the deed being done?

 

[pitchfork]

It is never amicable when someone is a slacker and threatens their employer at the slightest hint of being laid off.

A business hires an employee to fulfill a business requirement, if those requirements change or the person cannot fulfill those requires then the employee needs to go. There is nothing personal about it. The personal life of the employee is not a concern of the employer.

One buys a house in the knowledge that their job is not guaranteed permanent but could be lost at any moment with a change in business requirements. It is up to you to make arrangements that can protect you from such events. The business has no requirement to pay your mortgage for you.

Yeah and you try telling that to someone you just sacked who has no respect for you or the company any more. They don't give a damn it isn't personal, once their obligation to behave like an employee goes they'll hate your guts and now they've got nowhere to be tomorrow? Ahh, who cares if they break their hand.

Best thing to do when someones purpose lives out it's usage is fit them in somewhere else, treating your human capital as expendable is a surefire way to get the bare minimum from your employees. If you save someone from redundancy or help develop them to make of for their shortcomings they'll be in your pocket for a few years at least.

Sacking should be a last resort like I say, the worst companies I ever worked or consulted for were the ones who didn't care about staff - they just hired a load of clowns through an agency and sacked them off at the drop of a hat.

You sound like a HR rep by the way, how does it feel to have a fake job while the rest of us do something productive?

 

[Mr^B]

For a 60%+ pay cut? That's probably more demeaning than letting them go.

 

[Mr^B]

Yeah and you try telling that to someone you just sacked who has no respect for you or the company any more. They don't give a damn it isn't personal, once their obligation to behave like an employee goes they'll hate your guts and now they've got nowhere to be tomorrow? Ahh, who cares if they break their hand.

Best thing to do when someones purpose lives out it's usage is fit them in somewhere else, treating your human capital as expendable is a surefire way to get the bare minimum from your employees. If you save someone from redundancy or help develop them to make of for their shortcomings they'll be in your pocket for a few years at least.

Sacking should be a last resort like I say, the worst companies I ever worked or consulted for were the ones who didn't care about staff - they just hired a load of clowns through an agency and sacked them off at the drop of a hat.

You sound like a HR rep by the way, how does it feel to have a fake job while the rest of us do something productive?

I couldn't agree less. They just aren't up to the job and have no interest in improving themselves. They weren't hired at random, they just managed to slip through the net with a manager who wasn't technical enough to know the difference between talking the talk and waking the walk.

The best thing for this individual is to do what is going to be done. They won't accept a 40k pay cut. And nor should they. They are simply not suited to the role or environment and the challenges it presents and what is expected from the salary being paid.

Treating people as though you somehow owe them a living is the best way to get people to behave as though you DO owe them a living. There's a balance, and sometimes the scales need to be tipped to bring them back into equilibrium.

 

[kiawill91]

Be condifent