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Or you just have to prefer to have windows open?

There is nothing more amusing than people who say this in discussions about things like climate control. Opening a window has nothing to do with climate control. Opening a window doesn't maintain a set temperature. Opening a window doesn't auto demist windows. etc etc.

I know you are just trying to convince yourself you don't mind the fact your ridiculously expensive Focus lacks something even a 2001 Citroen Xsara, has but come on :p
 
[TW]Fox;17099218 said:
There is nothing more amusing than people who say this in discussions about things like climate control. Opening a window has nothing to do with climate control. Opening a window doesn't maintain a set temperature. Opening a window doesn't auto demist windows. etc etc.

I know you are just trying to convince yourself you don't mind the fact your ridiculously expensive Focus lacks something even a 2001 Citroen Xsara, has but come on :p

I'd rather have sealed windows than drive a Xsara!:p
 
I can't see any downsides to automatic climate control either. If you don't want to use it (sometimes it's nice to have all the windows open in the summer for instance, I'll admit) then you just press the "off" button. But arguing against it in favour of manual AC is just silly :p
 
[TW]Fox;17099218 said:
There is nothing more amusing than people who say this in discussions about things like climate control. Opening a window has nothing to do with climate control. Opening a window doesn't maintain a set temperature. Opening a window doesn't auto demist windows. etc etc.

I know you are just trying to convince yourself you don't mind the fact your ridiculously expensive Focus lacks something even a 2001 Citroen Xsara, has but come on :p


Because automatic climate control doesn't work with the window open. In the summer you tend to get it blowing full aircon all the time and it just gets annoying. Auto demist? Wow, because its hard turning the knob to hot and hitting the aircon button :confused:

I never use the auto aspect, and I much prefer manual controls than the half arsed attempt at manual control in most climate control systems (if present at all).

No I'm not trying to justify it to myself, I honestly and truthfully don't like it. In fact, when I bought my VXR, I turned down one that was just 6 months older with full leather and climate control because I specifically didn't want it!
 
The problem is that you have never had it so have no idea how it works. Specifically turning down a car with it, just LOL.

Mine doesn't even have an off button.
 
But climate control can be used in a fully manual state if you want cold air with the windows open or whatever! You can set the fan speed, the direction, the temperature..

Edit: Does it not, Fox? No way of totally killing the system then? :)

If I was driving around with the windows down on a nice not-too-hot summer's day I'd just tap the button and the entire system shuts down. Hardly worth panicking over or not speccing it ;)
 
Climate control has to be the best car toy ever invented, it means you have buttons to press and a screen! And in winter it makes you warm and in summer it makes you cool, therefore climate control makes you happy!
 
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Well you can shut off all the air flow totally but if I want the window open I just... open the window. I don't adjust my climate from one month to the next. It just.... works!
 
OK this will sound like a noob question (and it is I guess) but when talking about some of the remap units, do you have some control over a number of 'profiles' for the remap which you can enable? What I mean is can you select standard, map 1, map 2 etc?

My thinking is that if you can always select the standard map then surely you wouldn't have to declare this to insurance or would you? Assuming you can easily change back to standard that is.

/noob question
 
Yes, I'm aware you can control it manually, but this is my point - I don't like the manual interfaces on 99% of climate control systems, I much prefer to simply turn a knob and it works! If I'm driving, the fan speed on one with the aircon on, coming out top and foot vents is fine for me all the time, windows open or not - so that is where it stays. On Auto it would have the fans on full trying to reduce the temperature in the car - this is another hate of mine; fan noise - I can't stand it on anything above '2'.

Just because it suits you, do not be so narrow minded to think it suits everyone, and then try and make out as if people who it does not suit are kidding themselves, this simply isn't the case.

I have had climate control (In fact, I still do - in the Mondeo), and have used it many more times, and I just don't like it.
 
You get in your car, its quite warm inside, you open your windows straight away and you're telling me your climate control just sits there as normal? No, it doesn't - it blasts on full for ages whilst it struggles to bring the temperature down in the car, which it cannot to because it all escapes out of the window.

Either that or its not set very cold.
 
[TW]Fox;17100133 said:
My fans don't go to full when I have the window open :confused:

It depends on how much the outside air interferes with the cabin temp, or rather, the sensors. If there's hot(er) air blowing in, then the system may well try and compensate. If I'm driving with the windows down (rare tbh, the system is so good!) I'll shut off the climate control system cos it's a bit unnecessary really :p


Mike.. Huh? You're trying to make it do something it's not designed to do, and can't really expect it to do. So you can't really complain. It'd be no different in a car with manual AC?
 
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In that case then just set the system to manual whilst you clear the air for all of a minute, then it's windows up and back with the climate on :)

[TW]Fox;17100133 said:
My fans don't go to full when I have the window open :confused:

Bet they do if you put a cup of coffee in the cup holder :p :)
 
In that case then just set the system to manual whilst you clear the air for all of a minute, then it's windows up and back with the climate on :)

Wow, I think it is in fact climate control users who are kidding themselves. Just to reiterate - I don't like climate control in manual. I also don't like driving around with my windows up.

FFS, why is it so hard to understand - climate control doesn't suit my usage, nor do I like climate control.

I'm intelligent enough to work out what my own preferences are and what suits me and what doesn't.

Thanks.
 
You get in your car, its quite warm inside, you open your windows straight away and you're telling me your climate control just sits there as normal? No, it doesn't - it blasts on full for ages whilst it struggles to bring the temperature down in the car, which it cannot to because it all escapes out of the window.

No, thats not really how it works. It'll blower stronger than usual for about 20-30 seconds, and then it settles down. Even with the window open. I often drive around with the windows open and the climate copes perfectly without throwing a fit, without going bonkers, infact.. just behaving totally normally.

It is so good you litertally set-and-forget. Set the temp and never touch it again in your life. If its sunny outside it adjusts, and you get colder air. If its cold outside it adjusts, you get warmer air, if you want your window open, open it - the system wont go mad, it wont stop functioning, it'll just.. continue as normal. You wont even notice.

Once you understand climate control, its a set-and-forget system. It is brilliant.

Wow, I think it is in fact climate control users who are kidding themselves. Just to reiterate - I don't like climate control in manual. I also don't like driving around with my windows up.

FFS, why is it so hard to understand - climate control doesn't suit my usage, nor do I like climate control.

I'm intelligent enough to work out what my own preferences are and what suits me and what doesn't.

I don't think you understand what its for, how it works, how it does it, etc. You don't have it, you've convinced yourself dont want it anyway based on a misguided assumption on how it works. Your Mondeo doesnt have full climate anyway does it? It's SATC, this is not the same thing.

It suits everyones usage - because it just sits there in the background and never, ever bothers you.
 
How does my Mondeo not have full climate? You set a temperature, press auto and it supposedly just gets on with it.

I've yet to try a car with climate that doesn't **** me off with the windows open. Many **** me off with the windows closed too, with the exception of the Insignia I had.

I know exactly how it works, there is what is basically a thermostat - if the temperature at the thermostat is lower than the set temperature, you get hot air, if it is higher than the set temperature - you get cold air. This isn't rocket science, you have not done anything special by working this out - if it suits you fine, however it doesn't suit me in my car.
 
Its a "performance" car.

Why should they make it slower by adding even more weight with rear electric windows?!

Its slow enough as it is! (not sure how it manages it though, it has plenty powerzz)


Try an EVO RS then start complaining!
 
I know exactly how it works, there is what is basically a thermostat - if the temperature at the thermostat is lower than the set temperature, you get hot air, if it is higher than the set temperature - you get cold air. This isn't rocket science, you have not done anything special by working this out - if it suits you fine, however it doesn't suit me in my car.

That sounds like semi automatic temperature control to me not full climate, which also adjusts other things as well. That might well be how your Mondeo operates, but a fully auto climate sensor also has vent motors, sun load sensors and also considers external temperature as well.

So, either:

a) Your system is purely just a thermostat, in which case that sucks
b) You don't know how climate works, and have incorrectly guessed

Either is good with me :)
 
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