Food manufacturing muse

That is not really true. M&S are actually one of strictest customers we deal with and always use the best ingredients for their products. Products also have a much shorter shelf life whereas some of the more common brands might stretch this out to an "acceptable level".

So the massive difference in price for products that are mostly just sugar has nothing to do with marketing? I would love to know what these fancy ingredients are in these products where you see double and triple the price compared to a similar one from your major supermarkets.

I'm not talking about things like veg and fruit here, there can be clear differences in where that's sourced, when it will ripen and how long it's going to last.
 
This pretty much.

Also, Asda's baked beans are a million times better than Heinz's

I'm often a brand snob with cereal but I was really craving some Honey Loops recently but longed for the old Kellog's version which was basically sugar and wheat.

Turns out the 79p box I bought from Aldi or Lidil - they're the same thing in my head - was literally exactly like how the Kellog's ones were before they changed the recipe

Kellog's Crunchy Nut still reigns supreme though
 
yet alone the workforce required for them.
Watching those 'Greg Wallace grins round a factory' programmes seems to indicate that a lot of operations are run by a handful of folk maintaining a large number of machines. It all looks hugely expensive to set up, but machines don't need a canteen or holiday pay. They do need a few engineers though and a good pipeline for spare parts, which employs people.

My amazement at this kind of thing is more down to quality control... how so much food gets processed for so many, so quickly, with such high standards (in terms of hygiene and lack of broken glass, botulism or iron filings) is astounding. Of course, what we don't know about won't hurt us, most of the time. :-)

So for example, could Sainsbury’s jam be made in the same factory as say, Hartleys?
My understanding is absolutely, unless they're very big and very busy all the time already. I don't imagine Heinz do any own brand stuff, but who knows. Anything is better than downtime in most operations though, so if the processing power is there, why not sell it? Of course if supermarkets make margins too slim, extra maintenance costs outweigh any gain... it's like the way supermarkets treat staff. All smiley-smiley when the doodah hits the thingy, but as soon as things settle down, trim conditions hard "to improve job security and customer satisfaction" until they end up in the doodah again and have to do the smiley-smiley thing again for a while.

When it comes to variations in taste and quality... I only have to draw on my own cooking for experience. I can get very different results with the same ingredients if I'm not careful, and if I try to cut corners or substitute ingredients to save money or a trip to the shops things can get worse (or at least different) very quickly.

Asda's baked beans are a million times better than Heniz's
Well, sweeter maybe, last time I had any. But you're thinking about Baked Beans wrong... there are no bad beans, just beans enjoyed at the wrong time with the wrong accompaniment. :-)

Actually that's not true. Asda Smart Price beans are the only beans I've ever thrown away, and I have pretty low standards. I haven't tried anybody else's bargain basement beans, but Aldi's own brand are pretty good and the same kind of price. However I was brought up on Beans Meanz Heinz, so it's hard not to indulge in blue beanery from time to time. I have a 4-pack of Branston in tomorrow's Iceland delivery though. I am a bean tart; no loyalty whatsoever.

La, la, la, la, la, can't hear you with my fingers in my ears. Ignorance is sometimes bliss.... especially when contemplating the 12.5kg bag of meal worms, made in China, that I bought for the birds recently. Imagine the factory conditions there... and what they were fed on, and....

I need to get out of this thread quickly so I can put my fingers back in my ears. :-)
 
i temped for a few days in a huge milk packaging, dairy place in Kiddlington, Oxford and the only difference between runs was we had to reload the labels.
Every company has their own recipe and mix, cook, pack id assume for most brands.
 
My amazement at this kind of thing is more down to quality control... how so much food gets processed for so many, so quickly, with such high standards (in terms of hygiene and lack of broken glass, botulism or iron filings) is astounding. Of course, what we don't know about won't hurt us, most of the time. :)

Some of those QC machines are incredible. The one that shoots bad beans off the belt is crazy, the speed it works at.

on Inside the Factory, Greg is always damaging stuff and putting it through the machine to try and catch it out. It gets it every time :D
 
browning of the carrot is unacceptable in any circumstance

my dad must have watched a program about baked beans....he's mentioned the fact that the beans are baked in the cans quite a few times...he couldn't believe it :D
 
I worked for a very large food production place last year, was there 5 years (closed down I took redundancy) we made tesco deserts and waitrose mainly, the products were very different and the specs different between ranges ie finest and valur
Tesco finest and waitrose standard stuff very high quality, top notch cream eggs ect., no horror story's, constant hand swabbing and auditing ect
It's a shame. They shut, was offered gingsters (they own that) but I'm vegan so took the monr

Edit the waitrose pastry was definitely my favorite smelled lush
 
It's a shame there isn't a list of "insider" data somewhere.

I'm a bit of a brand snob but if I knew things were made in the same factory I might be tempted to swap...
 
My amazement at this kind of thing is more down to quality control... how so much food gets processed for so many, so quickly, with such high standards (in terms of hygiene and lack of broken glass, botulism or iron filings) is astounding. Of course, what we don't know about won't hurt us, most of the time. :)

Our lines all have metal detectors that can do ferrous, non ferrous and Stainless steel down to 1.5mm and X-Rays that can detect glass and other foreign objects. All have failsafes that stop immediately if something has stopped working correctly. All equipment that is used by staff has to be metal detectable ranging from pens to even plasters. The UK have pretty good regulations to be honest for food safety.

When it comes to cleaning. The machines have a massive automatic system that pumps chemical and hot water through the whole thing ready for the next orders. This is especially important when doing meat or Vegan products.
 
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It's a shame there isn't a list of "insider" data somewhere.

I'm a bit of a brand snob but if I knew things were made in the same factory I might be tempted to swap...

It's only the own brand stuff that is mostly made in the same factory. The big brands will have their own and produce many things from their brand (Nestle, Mcain etc) in one factory.
 
A cake factory near me makes brownie and flapjacks for supermarkets. There's sometimes a skip outside for defective products and I've seen Tesco and other brand names written on the packaging for the same product.
 
A cake factory near me makes brownie and flapjacks for supermarkets. There's sometimes a skip outside for defective products and I've seen Tesco and other brand names written on the packaging for the same product.
There was a soft drink factory near me when growing up. They used to throw defective stuff in the outside bin. We used to raid it. There was nothing wrong with it apart from a few dings in the cans and stuff.
 
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