**Football 5th-9th Mar 2010/2011

G|mp · 6 Mar 2011 at 22:58

Purdy said:
Fair enough, don't play footie myself at any level, but I didn't see any shinpads at all on Nani and Carra didn't look like he dragged down his shin.
Not trying to look for excuses here and saying it's Nani's fault, just general curiosity.

That explains a lot.

I would expect someone like Nani who gets kicked bout most games to be wearing some kind of shin pad, it looks exactly like he went down his shin with the sheer force of the tackle.

I know you're not looking for excuses because there isn't any, the ball was long gone, it was a shocking tackle.

BaZ87 · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:02

One thing I will say on Carra. He's a tough no nonsense defender who doesn't shirk challenges but he's never been a dirty player and I can't recall him ever 'doing' an opposition player before.

I would like to think there was no intent on his part to hurt Nani.

Purdy · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:03

G|mp said:
That explains a lot.

I would expect someone like Nani who gets kicked bout most games to be wearing some kind of shin pad, it looks exactly like he went down his shin with the sheer force of the tackle.

I know you're not looking for excuses because there isn't any, the ball was long gone, it was a shocking tackle.

Yep, no excuses, doesn't matter whether the ball was gone, just a horrendous tackle even if he got it.
No doubt the FA will bottle it and not give a ban to Carra either.

Kinda happy Rooney didn't get the ban now, never seems to turn up against us.
Don't understand why Hernandez wasn't on in the beginning, signing of the season.

Tom84 · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:04

Weebull said:
He seems to have left after the "but that's what Sky Sports said" defence failed.

Not really, I'm just not going to spend my day arguing about football with people that only ever show up when United lose. Seems directly after most United/Liverpool games you can be on here hours arguing the toss about each decision

I stick to what I said originally, Carragher should have gone, Rafaels wasn't a red and action should have been taken against Maxi

Mr.Pink said:
You have metioned the contact thing a few times, and its irrelevant. There doesn't have to be contact. A tackle can be deemed 'dangerous' without contact and still warrant a red card.

Thats glossing over thr fact it was two-footed, with both feet off the ground.

But something everyone seems to be glossing over is that Carraghers and Rafaels tackles cannot be compared, one was a certain Red no where near the ball which resulted in Nani being stretchered off and who knows what damage has been done whereas Rafael won the ball and made no contact with Lucas and even if there had been he would have still won the ball. He didn't lunge in Gerrard style with both feet off the ground with both sets of studs showing he went in sideways winning the ball with one foot..... So no it wasn't two footed either FYI

G|mp · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:06

I love how on MoTD it was "maybe a red card" and they show the tackle a couple of times.

Where'e the constant slow motion replays from different angles and the going over it for 5 minutes about how "Rooney's in trouble there, no need for that in the game"

LoL

BaZ87 · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:09

Tom84 said:
But something everyone seems to be glossing over is that Carraghers and Rafaels tackles cannot be compared

Since when did that mean that Rafael can't therefore be sent off? Just because 1 challenge may be worse than another, it doesn't mean that it wasn't a red card too.

Tom84 said:
one was a certain Red no where near the ball which resulted in Nani being stretchered off and who knows what damage has been done whereas Rafael won the ball and made no contact with Lucas and even if there had been he would have still won the ball. He didn't lunge in Gerrard style with both feet off the ground with both sets of studs showing he went in sideways winning the ball with one foot..... So no it wasn't two footed either FYI

Yes Rafael did jump in with both feet and studs showing

He left the ground from a long way out and had he made contact with Lucas, Lucas could have been stretchered off too.

Tom84 · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:10

BaZ87 said:
One thing I will say on Carra. He's a tough no nonsense defender who doesn't shirk challenges but he's never been a dirty player and I can't recall him ever 'doing' an opposition player before.

I would like to think there was no intent on his part to hurt Nani.

He does seem quite humble in interviews I've seen and not an utter plank like Terry for instance however i think he should have come out and made an apology for the 'tackle' he may still do but I'll be disappointed if he doesn't especially due to as it stands we've got to assume that Nani will now be missing for the foreseeable future until the club say otherwise

Dalglish's comments to Sky about the tackle were quite appalling also, absolutely no excuse can be made for it yet he decided to side step it completely

G|mp · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:12

No matter how you look at that it's a leg breaker, how the ****ing muppets on MoTD can gloss over that is laughable.

Pigeon_Killer · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:12

Tom84 said:
Dalglish's comments to Sky about the tackle were quite appalling also, absolutely no excuse can be made for it yet he decided to side step it completely

Would've been nice to hear Fergie's comments but he side stepped the entire interview

BaZ87 · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:14

Tom84 said:
He does seem quite humble in interviews I've seen and not an utter plank like Terry for instance however i think he should have come out and made an apology for the 'tackle' he may still do but I'll be disappointed if he doesn't especially due to as it stands we've got to assume that Nani will now be missing for the foreseeable future until the club say otherwise

Carragher apologised to Nani after the game. I doubt he'll make a public apology, just like no other player will or has for past incidents.

Tom84 said:
Dalglish's comments to Sky about the tackle were quite appalling also, absolutely no excuse can be made for it yet he decided to side step it completely

Funny that I don't remember you saying the same last weekend when another manager may have brushed of another incident

Managers often refuse to criticise their players for poor tackles etc, however equally, Dalglish didn't defend Carra and say 'it was nothing' (like others have), he simply didn't comment on it.

Purdy · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:15

Tom84 said:
He does seem quite humble in interviews I've seen and not an utter plank like Terry for instance however i think he should have come out and made an apology for the 'tackle' he may still do but I'll be disappointed if he doesn't especially due to as it stands we've got to assume that Nani will now be missing for the foreseeable future until the club say otherwise

Dalglish's comments to Sky about the tackle were quite appalling also, absolutely no excuse can be made for it yet he decided to side step it completely

Carra went and waited outside the changing room to apologise, he wasn't able to so passed it through someone else. Public apology isn't necessary if he speaks to Nani himself.

Dalglish knows Carra will handle the situation and Dalglish doesn't need to say sorry for him, nor did he say he did nothing wrong or pulled a Wenger, ' I couldn't see it'.

Can't see Nani being out for long if he walked out of anfield, hope so anyways.

Tom84 · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:17

BaZ87 said:
Yes Rafael did jump in with both feet and studs showing

He left the ground from a long way out and had he made contact with Lucas, Lucas could have been stretchered off too.

Rafael dived in at an angle so for both sets of studs to have made impact both legs would have had to be extended - they werent

The ball was always there to be won so had Lucas not jumped out of the way Rafael still would have won it so no Lucas was in no danger of being stretchered off. It wasn't shin high either

The two tackles are completely incomparable

Purdy · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:18

G|mp said:
No matter how you look at that it's a leg breaker, how the ****ing muppets on MoTD can gloss over that is laughable.

Yep. After 20 long years of hard research. OCUK can reveal that MOTD and Sly Sports are incredibly biased and retarded =D

Tombstone · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:20

Edit : whoops how did that double post

BaZ87 · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:20

Tom84 said:
The two tackles are completely incomparable

Not sure anybody has said they were. Rafael's challenge was still 2 footed, off the ground with his studs showing and deserved to be sent off though.

You seem to be the only Utd fan that's arguing that he shouldn't.

Tombstone · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:22

LOL

G|mp · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:23

Purdy said:
Yep. After 20 long years of hard research. OCUK can reveal that MOTD and Sly Sports are incredibly biased and retarded =D

If I remember correctly not just last week you were questioning why it was a MoTD witch hunt against Rooney.

Do you understand a bit better now?

Greenlizard0 · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:26

G|mp said:
No matter how you look at that it's a leg breaker, how the ****ing muppets on MoTD can gloss over that is laughable.

I think hard 'English' tackles are a touchy subject these days. Commentators rarely stay on the same side from one challenge to another.

G|mp · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:29

Greenlizard0 said:
I think hard 'English' tackles are a touchy subject these days. Commentators rarely stay on the same side from one challenge to another.

Agreed but listening to last weeks comments on the game you would have thought Rooney had took his eye out and thrown it across the pitch.

Purdy · 6 Mar 2011 at 23:29

G|mp said:
If I remember correctly not just last week you were questioning why it was a MoTD witch hunt against Rooney.

Do you understand a bit better now?

I didn't really see it as a witch hunt, but they certainly made it clear he should be banned.
Didn't see MOTD, but if they debated it could possibly be a red, then yes, I will admit there must be bias against Rooney from them, or incredible thickness.