Football and the Coronavirus

BaZ87 said:
I'm sorry but I don't buy this at all. Alder Hey Children's Hospital announced that they received a large donation from a footballer who specifically asked to remain anonymous. The initiative that PL players are working on now only came to light following the attacks on footballers and was reportedly being worked on for several days prior.
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Hence why the rest of my quote (that you omitted stated "unless done in a very low key manner" such as anonymously like you say.

BaZ87 said:
Footballers are no different to anybody else. Some will be greedy ********* but the majority won't. I've never understood why footballers are always a target and yet actors, musicians, tv presenters, bankers and politicians don't receive 10% of the abuse, despite in many cases doing far less work for their money.
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Actors works has dried up, they won't be getting paid other than royalties. Along with all of the studio staff, writers, directors, etc etc etc.
Musicians ^^ (also, what I call talented musicians aren't paid fairly in relation to their skill while less talented, or talent less in some cases, are paid way more due to how the industry is), not forgetting all of their back up crew for live events. They could well still be working though, writing recording etc.
TV Presenters are still in the main still working and earning their wage. (Gary Lineker though? I hope he's been furloughed on to £2500 p/m)
Bankers are still working.
Politicians are still working, albeit now in a reduced form. Also, they most definitely do not get paid enough for what they are supposed to do, hence why we get the numpties that are already millionaires doing at as a power trip.

I think footballers rightly should be criticised. Anyone, in any job, that is paid more in a week than the PM in a year gets has got to expect questions on why the **** they are paid that much, especially when they aren't actually doing their job.

Some of the more highly paid players would be perfectly fine if they didn't have a wage coming in for 6 months while the game is stopped as they'll have other sources of income. Maybe it would make them realise what the rest of us are having to deal with. Yea, I agree with your points about wealthy club owners, they shouldn't be the beneficiaries of any tax payer money or even stopping paying players altogether, but then how do you compel them not to be the greedy ********* we're all seeing them to be right now?

My question is though, at what point DO you stop paying the players? 3 months? 6? 12? Never? That decision isn't being made as quick as the one to furlough out the non-playing staff and it's horrid.
 
Fubsy said:
My question is though, at what point DO you stop paying the players? 3 months? 6? 12? Never? That decision isn't being made as quick as the one to furlough out the non-playing staff and it's horrid.
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I guess they are hoping that using delaying tactics will mean by the time they make that decision that they will be playing again. However as I said I can't see them getting on with anything before July, and more than likely well into August.
 
Fubsy said:
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Assuming we're comparing like for like then your mega hollywood stars and pop stars will still be receiving royalties, potentially into the 10s of millions. Why are footballers being criticised over them? And my point wasn't specific to this current situation. For years it's always been acceptable to criticise footballers for what they earn but not all these other extremely high paid entertainment industries. When people discuss the vile abuse footballers receive you will often hear lines like "they get paid so much that they should accept the abuse" or "if I earned that much then I'd come out for 10 minutes after the game and let people call me a ****". I've not once heard that said about the abuse a tv presenter might get.

Answering your question, they should only be furloughed/take a pay cut if clubs cannot afford to pay all staff. I think we're in complete agreement that PL clubs should not be furloughing non playing staff (this is not out of necessity but greed) but placing players on furlough or cutting their wages is not the answer. This will only have a negative impact on the tax payer and country as a whole and will only serve to protect the wealth of football clubs and their billionaire owners.
 
BaZ87 said:
Assuming we're comparing like for like then your mega hollywood stars and pop stars will still be receiving royalties, potentially into the 10s of millions. Why are footballers being criticised over them? And my point wasn't specific to this current situation. For years it's always been acceptable to criticise footballers for what they earn but not all these other extremely high paid entertainment industries. When people discuss the vile abuse footballers receive you will often hear lines like "they get paid so much that they should accept the abuse" or "if I earned that much then I'd come out for 10 minutes after the game and let people call me a ****". I've not once heard that said about the abuse a tv presenter might get.
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I'm not one to argue that people at the top of the pile shouldn't be paid well for doing their jobs. I'm pretty certain the best players don't do it for the money, they pretty much just want to be the best and strive to be that.

Yes, movie stars and pop stars will still be getting royalties, that's how that industry works clearly. We can still watch their movies/tv and listen to music.

Football on the other hand is currently non-existent, it's not happening. The entertainment (which is what it is, hence why there is so much money sloshing around) is the matches, the results, the silverware, the big clashes, the magic moments. It's currently gone. They shouldn't be getting paid top whack at the moment across the board. The difficult part like you've said though, is who does it help if you don't pay them? No-one apart from already mega rich club owners. But it damn well sends the right message while the non-playing staff are treated in a completely different manner.

Hell, if all of the money is diverted to the cause then the season could get underway a lot quicker!

BaZ87 said:
Answering your question, they should only be furloughed/take a pay cut if clubs cannot afford to pay all staff. I think we're in complete agreement that PL clubs should not be furloughing non playing staff (this is not out of necessity but greed) but placing players on furlough or cutting their wages is not the answer. This will only have a negative impact on the tax payer and country as a whole and will only serve to protect the wealth of football clubs and their billionaire owners.
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Then why the hell are Liverpool doing it? Of all clubs they would be the ones I'd least expect it from!

It's so depressing and only going to be worse when they get their grubby mitts on that trophy :( :p
 
Footballers don't get paid royalties for historical matches being shown though. There's differences between how they earn their money but they both earn huge amounts and yet for some reason it's fair game to attack footballers but not other highly paid entertainers. As I said, footballers pay is often used as an excuse or some sort of justification for abusing players.

And why are Liverpool doing it? Greed, just like all the other PL clubs. Hopefully the backlash, from Liverpool fans in particular, will make other clubs think before they do it too. But then again maybe they'll think Liverpool have taken the hit and one more club won't make a difference.
 
They really aren't doing themselves any favours, and very quick to apologise after getting caught out - "oh noes, I'm very sorry, I didn't think [i'd get caught]. #stayathome".

Here I am, locked up in the house only allowed out to walk the dog once a day while Kyle Walker is having sex workers over for a party, Jack Grealish also out flaunting lock down and smashing his car up. Who's next? Phil Jones having a gurning contest in his back garden?
 
I suppose technically it's the fault of the football clubs themselves for having a contract with the players whereby they get paid regardless of whether they even kick a ball and even if the entire season is cancelled due to circumstances outwith their control!

No point in blaming the players!
 
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omnomnom said:
Could be worse...could be Kyle Walker right now
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Hes living the life of Riley right now. Having orgies with prostitutes in his massive mansion. Hard life. Whats going to happen to him. "Bad Kyle now go back out and kick a ball for us".
 
fez said:
Hes living the life of Riley right now. Having orgies with prostitutes in his massive mansion. Hard life. Whats going to happen to him. "Bad Kyle now go back out and kick a ball for us".
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The annoying thing is we all want to see things go back to normal...or as close to as we can and that includes football. If its behind closed doors then so be it but thats never going to happen with morons like him and Grealish.
 
Terribly sad news. Before this is over I suspect a large number of us will have been directly effected by this, whether that be the loss of friends or relatives and will put football into context.
 
Rooney was caught by police breaching lock down with Kyle Walker of all people, wouldn't have thought Kyle Walker would be into pension age escorts.
 
Well that isn't quite what happened is it? As I understand it they were both taking walks and ran into each other. I'm pretty sure a lot of people have done that.
 
As with the £77 ticket, Liverpool have changed their mind about using government money to furlough staff. It's good that they're big enough to admit when they've made a mistake but it would be great if they stopped making these stupid and unnecessary mistakes.
 
BaZ87 said:
As with the £77 ticket, Liverpool have changed their mind about using government money to furlough staff. It's good that they're big enough to admit when they've made a mistake but it would be great if they stopped making these stupid and unnecessary mistakes.
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At least they've seen sense. Did Spurs reverse their decision or are they sticking to their guns? I think it's incredibly selfish and greedy of any PL club to be furloughing staff, dumping taxpayers (some of whom will be their own fans) with the bill for it.

The government have opened the furloughing of staff up to abuse by big corporations by not being more strict on who can apply for support. For example, McLaren have furloughed their staff and they're owned by a Bahraini sovereign wealth fund with nearly $17 billion in assets.
 
No other club have reversed their decision as far as I'm aware. It's worth pointing out that the decision not to furlough staff is more of a PR decision for clubs rather than a sign that they're not greedy or selfish. Half of the PL and top of the EFL clubs are currently being investigated by HMRC for taxes relating to players salaries/image rights.
 
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