Football and the Coronavirus

woppy101 said:
Right so if the championship doesn’t restart which I don’t think it will, who do you promote if you complete the premier league and relegate 3 teams?
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Again, these are all the questions that need answering and why it's easier and cleaner if the season can be finshed. I think the Championship can be finished but it's harder than the PL. Final standings will likely be determined by PPG and if it comes to it, and you're relegating 3 sides, I'd guess you'd promote whoever sits in 3rd.
 
BaZ87 said:
Again, these are all the questions that need answering and why it's easier and cleaner if the season can be finshed. I think the Championship can be finished but it's harder than the PL. Final standings will likely be determined by PPG and if it comes to it, and you're relegating 3 sides, I'd guess you'd promote whoever sits in 3rd.
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Then the teams in the next 3 places will cry foul
Andybtsn said:
The teams with the best PPG should just do play offs behind close doors.
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this will be the best way to do it
 
woppy101 said:
Then the teams in the next 3 places will cry foul
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I know, but if no games can be played then you have to do the fairest thing which would be the team sitting 3rd. This is the problem with this situation, there's no 100% fair answers right now, you just have to come up with the least not fair.
 
It’s never going to be fair whatever happens, but that’s just tough. There’s a virus killing tens of thousands of people in the country so I’m sure the government will step in and slap down any clubs moaning if needed.
 
adam cool dude said:
If they can do play off then imo all teams and leagues should for all positions. Bottom 6 of the league and 2nd to 7th at the top as Liverpool have already qualified for Europe.
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Play-offs for the 3rd promotion place are already a thing, they're not for relegation and european spots. I'm not sure how you can fairly say Man City have to play a play off vs Utd, Wolves and Sheffield Utd to qualify for the CL when they're so far ahead.

edit: something they do in Belgium could be possible. They have their regular season and then at the end of that the top 6 teams play a mini league. Their points totals from the regular season are divided in half and are their starting points totals for the mini league, playing each side twice, that decides the title and european spots. There wouldn't be time to play each other twice but each side could play each other once at neutral grounds.
 
BaZ87 said:
We'll find out on Friday (or next monday) just how many are against it. If the government say it's safe to resume then I expect, one way or another, it will be forced through. It's very rare that the big 6 don't get what the want.

The Times article I mentioned about regarding broadcasters being against relegation being scappred was from Martyn Ziegler too.
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if relegation is scrapped a large amount of the resumed games will be pointless
 
It won't happen and I doubt that's the wildest idea that's being floated in the PL meetings either. It makes sense that they look at each and every idea possible, it doesn't mean they'll use them.
 
I'd guess that was the thinking behind it, yea.

edit: I've just seen that the Bundesliga have been given the go ahead to restart on the 15th. Since their top 2 divisions returned to training a total of 10 players and staff have tested positive (out of around 1500-2000) but crucially, the next set of tests after the 3 Cologne players/staff tested positive, there were no new positive cases.

I believe Steve Parish made the point in a twitter debate with Neville that returning with this type of testing is potentially safer than football not resuming as they'll find players with the virus that would have never known before and could have then spread it in their daily lives.
 
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BaZ87 said:
I believe Steve Parish made the point in a twitter debate with Neville that returning with this type of testing is potentially safer than football not resuming as they'll find players with the virus that would have never known before and could have then spread it in their daily lives.
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That is probably true, but there's more important people that should be tested first. NHS staff, petrol station employees... I share a dialysis ward with 20 other patients plus staff. None of us have been tested yet.
 
rebel rebel said:
That is probably true, but there's more important people that should be tested first. NHS staff, petrol station employees... I share a dialysis ward with 20 other patients plus staff. None of us have been tested yet.
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Is there a shortage of testing kits? Will the PL privately buying testing kits be the reason why NHS staff or any key worker cannot be tested?

I don't know for certain but I believe the answer to both questions is no. From what I understand the issue around testing is the logistics of getting tests to people (or people to tests) not the availability of testing and the PL privately sourcing these kits and testing players and staff will make no difference to the issues you raised.
 
BaZ87 said:
Is there a shortage of testing kits? Will the PL privately buying testing kits be the reason why NHS staff or any key worker cannot be tested?

I don't know for certain but I believe the answer to both questions is no. From what I understand the issue around testing is the logistics of getting tests to people (or people to tests) not the availability of testing and the PL privately sourcing these kits and testing players and staff will make no difference to the issues you raised.
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I'm not sure what tests they have, or how many. All I know is you only get one if you show symptoms, particularly a temperature. It could be because the current nhs tests are not instant and have to be sent to the lab. And they don't want to overload them unless they have to.

I guess there's so much money involved the Premiership would employ their own testers.
 
rebel rebel said:
I'm not sure what tests they have, or how many. All I know is you only get one if you show symptoms, particularly a temperature. It could be because the current nhs tests are not instant and have to be sent to the lab. And they don't want to overload them unless they have to.

I guess there's so much money involved the Premiership would employ their own testers.
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Well if the PL can privately source tests then it stands to reason that the tests are available to the NHS should they choose to purchase them. If they're choosing not to, for whatever reason, there's then no harm in any industry, business or individual purchasing them and in doing so they're not disadvantaging anybody else. From a NHS point of view, you can even argue that it would be helpful as another x amount of people will be getting tested.

Just like Germany, when football returns and testing begins, we'll no doubt find a number of players or staff that have the virus and would have never known before. The key will be how quickly they detect these players and how successfully they're quarantined away from the rest of the squad (and outside world) so that they can limit the spread to no more than what would have happened had football never returned.
 
Rotty said:
if relegation is scrapped a large amount of the resumed games will be pointless
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It seems pointless resuming anyway if they're going to radically change the way competition is played, either continue as normal (no crowds if necessary) or not at all. All of this talk of neutral venues, shorter matches and various other changes merely so that they can fulfil financial obligations is just making a mockery of the competition. All of the clubs agreed to a set of rules at the start of the season and now the FA are criticising clubs who don't want to change those rules when it could hurt them, pitch size, grass length, how much it is watered and to a lesser extent surroundings all contribute to home advantages and struggling clubs aren't going to want to throw that away just so the FA don't have to give out refunds.
 
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