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Welbecks international goals:

Belgium 2012 - Friendly - 1 goal
Sweden 2012 - Euro 2012 - 1 goal
San Marino 2012 - WC Qual - 2 goals
Sweden 2012 - Friendly - 1 goal
Scotland 2013 - Friendly - 1 goal
Moldova 2013 - WC Qual - 2 goals
Switzerland 2014 - Euro 2016 Qual - 2 goals

The only team there worth a mention is Belgium and that was over 2 years ago in a friendly. People love to bring out his international goal return as proof that he is actually a decent striker which is bull.

He was a useful utility player for United but he is not a quality striker. United fans have been whinging about him for years now.
 
Moses said:
To be fair, I think it's premature to judge him until he's had a good run in the middle. I remember Gary Neville tweeting the other day how Welbeck had 14 in 34 as CF, which isn't a bad record.
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G|mp said:
Now he's an Arsenal player we need to give him time and not judge him?

GTFO.
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The double standards are pretty amazing. Moses, you never fail to be the most obvious WUM, it's great.
 
I said it when we signed him, he'll get goals, but so does Giroud, so did Chamakh(he had 10 in 21 starts in his first season... he just got no more starts after that). Yet Chamakh isn't scoring at Palace. Why, he's playing a different role, battering ram/holding player upfront for a much less good team. If he went back to Arsenal and played in the same position where the team was putting chances on a plate he'd score a decent amount.

It's not JUST about goals, it's about how they play with the team. So far his link up play has been woeful, his movement is poor. His chances have almost all come from standing along the defensive line and waiting for a ball, intended or accidental, to play him in behind. He did one good turn on a player last night and then fluffed the shot.

Difficult chances, chances under pressure, he's not going to score much, dropping deeper and playing others in behind, he'll get some but he's not going to do it as well or as much as a genuinely good striker.

At one point last night someone for Arsenal ran forward with the ball and Welbeck decided to literally run about 1ft alongside him.... which actually blocked in the player with the ball, there wasn't room to pass, he blocked other passes and it meant he only had one direction to run. It was one of the weirdest things I've seen another player do, run directly alongside for like 10-15 yards and block in your own player. Then when a he ran into a defender and lost the ball Welbeck did this huge throwing arms in the air disappointed gesture.

His movement when he drops deep, his passing, he's just a bit of a donkey basically. Pretty much anyone with a pulse could score 10-15 goals for a top 4, maybe a top 6 team with the chances they'll create, but it's the 15 goals they miss that a top striker would also score, and the 15 they don't help create that is the difference between a really good striker and an average player.

Welbeck showed nothing at Utd, for England or so far for Arsenal that suggests he can be a genuinely good player. If he got 10 this year I wouldn't be surprised, 15 maybe pushing it. but if he's actually a good player this year, if he helps us win games off the back off great 90 min performances in which he is good throughout even if he doesn't score... that would shock the hell out of me.
 
Brandao, the guy who waited in the tunnel after a game and then headbutt Motta, got a 6 month ban. Completely deserved, it was certainly more pre-meditated than Suarez's bite, but I still think in perspective it makes Suarez's ban seem tame considering it was his third bite(and multiple other pieces of woeful behaviour during his career).
 
Purdy said:
Indeed, much worse than breaking someone's nose off the field
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Intentional assault is intentional assault. In most cases the intent and action is more important than the result. People kill people but don't even get charged if it's in self defence, other people get put in jail for attempting to murder someone in cold blood, hell you can attempt to kill someone with a gun, miss your shot leaving the intended victim literally untouched.... intent is generally more important than the outcome.

Suarez assaulted someone for the well, he bite someone for the third time, which number assault it was is questionable.

Do you think Brandao would have deserved a ban if he waited for Motta in the tunnel leant in to headbutt him but Motta saw it coming and leaned backwards with absolutely no actual damage and maybe even no contact made? Is it okay to way to assault someone as long as no damage is done? Nothing would have changed when you look at it from Brandao's side, he's decided to attack someone, waited in the tunnel for that player and attempted to assault him.
 
Brandao's lucky not to be in far more trouble tbh. Headbutting someone during a game is bad enough but waiting to do the same after the match has finished should've been handed over to the Police imo.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Intentional assault is intentional assault. In most cases the intent and action is more important than the result. People kill people but don't even get charged if it's in self defence, other people get put in jail for attempting to murder someone in cold blood, hell you can attempt to kill someone with a gun, miss your shot leaving the intended victim literally untouched.... intent is generally more important than the outcome.

Suarez assaulted someone for the well, he bite someone for the third time, which number assault it was is questionable.

Do you think Brandao would have deserved a ban if he waited for Motta in the tunnel leant in to headbutt him but Motta saw it coming and leaned backwards with absolutely no actual damage and maybe even no contact made? Is it okay to way to assault someone as long as no damage is done? Nothing would have changed when you look at it from Brandao's side, he's decided to attack someone, waited in the tunnel for that player and attempted to assault him.
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Yes, he made a far more serious intent to injure someone, I'd certainly say attempting to break someone's nose or give them a concussion is a lot more serious than a bite which seemingly never pierces the flesh

Ignoring the fact it was very likely to be pre meditated where as Suarez goes full retard for about 30 seconds
 
Yes, being premeditated is bad, as I said. So it would be worse than even doing the same thing as an instant response on impulse, but Suarez didn't bite someone once, nor just bite people even if we limit it to significant things he's taken lengthy bans for it would be 3 bites, a racial abuse case, something about heatbutting a ref in the face at 16, also had a fight with a team mate at Ajax.
 
man love

Talking to BT Sport, Bale said of Tottenham,

“I’ll never forget the great European nights at White Hart Lane. They were amazing.

“Tottenham will always have a place in my heart. I hope the fans still love me even though I’ve moved on.

“I love Spurs fans; you never know, I could come back one day.

“I hope they understand that obviously Real Madrid is a massive, massive club and that they respect my decision.

“From the moment Madrid put the offer in it was difficult. [Tottenham] was somewhere I felt so comfortable and so happy.”
 
Sat watching womens super league, Birmingham v Liverpool. Really not the same as watching a proper game of footy is it :p

Seems to be more about who can kick the ball the furthest or highest rather than playing it properly down the pitch.
 
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