Ford Ecoboost 1.0 Cambelt Changes starting to be due @ £1000+

Joxeon said:
My wife has a 2010 cooper D which has been remapped so hits around 140bhp and pulls like a train with 300nm of torque, it does 70mpg also although it does need a good run every now and again to regenerate the partial filter. Only 20 quid tax also.
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You'd have to be brave to buy a Diesel car now in 2022 though surely with the way things are going? Even an older one.
We also do loads of little journeys. Mini's also have only 2 seats in the back. There will be the odd occasion we need to chuck 3 kids in the back.
 
Armageus said:
They aren't purely for emissions, they deliver better mpg, and deliver torque lower down due to the turbo, which makes them feel faster/easier to drive
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It really isn't. Honest John lists the real world mpg of the 1.0 ecoboost in the mid 40's which is exactly the same as naturally aspirated 4 banger 1.6. It's listed as mid 60's according to official stats.

Sure it will do high MPG in a set circumstance. Eg for validation tests but you have to constantly be on boost to go anywhere it quickly goes down.
 
Janesy B said:
None of it is done for real world benefit, just to cheat the tests they have to pass.
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Or remove the issue of timing chain wear.
The wet belt isn’t to do with this emissions talk you speak of.

The goalpost then was the NEDC. That’s what mattered hence 1.0ecoboost with all its other features
 
ergh ... he's talking about the use of turbos on smaller engined cars
- adam had suggesetd belt was somehow related to emissions Done with the aim of emissions ,
maybe there is a tenuous link that adding a turbo necessitated the cost reduction elsewhere of wet belts
 
Belt in oil benefits perceived from 2013
https://www.pressebox.com/pressrele...n-Oil-Reduces-Friction-and-Noise/boxid/624199

According to FEV GmbH, an independent engine designer, the belt drive lowers fuel consumption compared to the chain, and therefore reduces CO2 emissions. In a 1.6 liter gasoline engine, for example, the belt drive reduces fuel consumption by more than 1% and saves up to 1.5 grams of CO2 per kilometer. "Belt drives are lighter and run a lot more quietly too. Belts don't tend to lengthen either," says Hermann Schulte, head of Timing Belt Development at the ContiTech Power Transmission Group. "A significant advantage, because a lengthening chain alters the engine timing. As a result, consumption increases and performance drops. Emissions levels are quickly exceeded." In endurance tests, a belt lengthened by just 0.1% after 240,000 kilometers of service life - the figure was five times greater with a chain.
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The advantage of the timing belt in oil is that it has a narrower construction than the dry-running version and it is even quieter. In the case of a crankshaft pulley with 19 teeth, no noise can be detected, even with the engine operating under full load, because the oil not only reduces friction, it absorbs sound as well. This is important for the simple reason that the increasingly popular downsized engines generally run less smoothly.


neighbours kia prodrive estate 3cylinder does sound pretty good -- not as good as working a NA inline6 though, I just need an oil well, Boris.
 
adam cool dude said:
It really isn't. Honest John lists the real world mpg of the 1.0 ecoboost in the mid 40's which is exactly the same as naturally aspirated 4 banger 1.6. It's listed as mid 60's according to official stats.

Sure it will do high MPG in a set circumstance. Eg for validation tests but you have to constantly be on boost to go anywhere it quickly goes down.
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Can you give me an example of an NA 4 banger 1.6 that does mid 40s mpg and is not ancient and well spec'd? I have a 2003 Focus 1.6 NA (I guess this qualifies as ancient) and it very much does NOT get mid 40s lol. Maybe into the 30s on a good day but it is ancient and burns oil.

I think mid 40s real world combined is pretty good, but yes the book figure of 60+ combined is a tad optimistic. I've heard of people not being able to get below 30mpg in the ecoboosts even when thrashing it. Not sure how true that is. I genuinely am all ears for anything out there that is a real competitor to the ecoboost engines whilst still being as cheap to insure and tax, about as fast and as good economy. The other upside of the Ford cars is that you can easily pick up Titanium spec ones which are well spec'd for a small non premium brand hatchback. i.e. Even on the 2013 Titaniums you get DAB radio, LED daylight running lights, cruise, parking sensors on some, rear tinted privacy glass, bluetooth/sync. The Titanium X even comes with front heated leather seats. The 99bhp ecoboosts also map to about 145bhp (same as the 125 map to anyway) which give them even better pick up if you are that way inclined. I'm sure the wet belts love that. ;)

The alternative rivals I have looked at don't generally come as well spec'd (excluding Audi/BMW). I think some of the 208 top spec ones are pretty good, but then you have the same problem with their 1.2ltr puretech engine.
 
jaybee said:
Can you give me an example of an NA 4 banger 1.6 that does mid 40s mpg and is not ancient and well spec'd? I have a 2003 Focus 1.6 NA (I guess this qualifies as ancient) and it very much does NOT get mid 40s lol. Maybe into the 30s on a good day but it is ancient and burns oil.

I think mid 40s real world combined is pretty good, but yes the book figure of 60+ combined is a tad optimistic. I've heard of people not being able to get below 30mpg in the ecoboosts even when thrashing it. Not sure how true that is. I genuinely am all ears for anything out there that is a real competitor to the ecoboost engines whilst still being as cheap to insure and tax, about as fast and as good economy. The other upside of the Ford cars is that you can easily pick up Titanium spec ones which are well spec'd for a small non premium brand hatchback. i.e. Even on the 2013 Titaniums you get DAB radio, LED daylight running lights, cruise, parking sensors on some, rear tinted privacy glass, bluetooth/sync. The Titanium X even comes with front heated leather seats. The 99bhp ecoboosts also map to about 145bhp (same as the 125 map to anyway) which give them even better pick up if you are that way inclined. I'm sure the wet belts love that. ;)

The alternative rivals I have looked at don't generally come as well spec'd (excluding Audi/BMW). I think some of the 208 top spec ones are pretty good, but then you have the same problem with their 1.2ltr puretech engine.
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My 1.6 2003 Focus averaged 40mpg over 25,000 miles lol.

https://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/focus/2003/janesyb/77606
 
My ex's old 1.6 308 averaged 44 over 20k miles. The 1.6 focus she replaced it with averaged 35 ish doing the same journeys. the 308 was great when it was running but it had soo many problems over the course of her ownership. 2 engine rebuilds, cat replaced, fuel tank replaced. Never any electrical issues though, which was pretty good for a French car lol.
 
yes not sure how you would be driving/driven a 1.6 focus to not achieve 30's ... central london commute .
but if you are re-mapping 99hp ecosboosts fuel cost is not your priority;
I think people will currently be having a reality check on driving habits, the idiots on our local country road stretch still like to get to 60mph before loosing that momentum on the next bend, though; definite scope for a console racing game with economy as goal.
 
jaybee said:
Can you give me an example of an NA 4 banger 1.6 that does mid 40s mpg and is not ancient and well spec'd?
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My 2012 Suzuki Swift Sport does mid 40's from it's NA 1.6, The OBC reports about 48mpg but worked at at the pump it's more like 42-44 from my time with it. It's not the last word in equipment but it's not badly spec'd, keyless entry, climate, Bluetooth, auto lights etc

We looked at Fiestas when buying the Swift but one of the deciding factors were a belt driven NA engine rather than one of the new at the time smaller turbo engines, on top of general Japanese reliability to keep long term. So far it's paid off over the 8 years we've had it, fingers crossed it continues.
 
Janesy B said:
None of it is done for real world benefit, just to cheat the tests they have to pass.
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Cheat? It’s literally the test which measures emissions. There’s no cheating
jpaul said:
Belt in oil benefits perceived from 2013
https://www.pressebox.com/pressrele...n-Oil-Reduces-Friction-and-Noise/boxid/624199

According to FEV GmbH, an independent engine designer, the belt drive lowers fuel consumption compared to the chain, and therefore reduces CO2 emissions. In a 1.6 liter gasoline engine, for example, the belt drive reduces fuel consumption by more than 1% and saves up to 1.5 grams of CO2 per kilometer. "Belt drives are lighter and run a lot more quietly too. Belts don't tend to lengthen either," says Hermann Schulte, head of Timing Belt Development at the ContiTech Power Transmission Group. "A significant advantage, because a lengthening chain alters the engine timing. As a result, consumption increases and performance drops. Emissions levels are quickly exceeded." In endurance tests, a belt lengthened by just 0.1% after 240,000 kilometers of service life - the figure was five times greater with a chain.
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The advantage of the timing belt in oil is that it has a narrower construction than the dry-running version and it is even quieter. In the case of a crankshaft pulley with 19 teeth, no noise can be detected, even with the engine operating under full load, because the oil not only reduces friction, it absorbs sound as well. This is important for the simple reason that the increasingly popular downsized engines generally run less smoothly.


neighbours kia prodrive estate 3cylinder does sound pretty good -- not as good as working a NA inline6 though, I just need an oil well, Boris.
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whos Boris ? Is he the guy who you googled ?
 
Janesy B said:
Unless you upgrade to something newer, any 10 year old car is going to need something doing on it. Not a bad excuse to get a new car though.
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So far just a few small things I've needed to get fixed but these small things are beginning to become more frequent. Just noticed the horn has stopped working and the fuse appears ok :(
 
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